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From: "Dave Korn" <dk@artimi.com>
To: "'Bob Rossi'" <bob@brasko.net>
Cc: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>, <gdb@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: RE: probing GDB for MI versions
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <NUTMEGg96TwctPBjxPG000002d4@NUTMEG.CAM.ARTIMI.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041006170513.GG12213@white>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Bob Rossi' 
> Sent: 06 October 2004 18:05

> Sorry if I was rude here, I am very frustrated.

  It shows.  But seriously, if you have to keep on saying the same thing
over and over again, we're not disagreeing with you just to be contrary,
it's because either _we_ haven't understood the problem, or because _you_
haven't understood the solutions we've proposed.  At that point, there's a
communication difficulty going on, which will not be resolved by simply
repeating the same description over and over getting more angry each time.

> No one has attempted to do what I am trying to do. Write a front end
> that is capable of working with different GDB's.
> 
> If they do do this, I would like to know how they negotiate the MI
> version to talk.
> 
> Again, you seem to be saying that if I generate a parser off of the MI
> output syntax, that I am somehow wrong.

  No, that's not what I'm saying.  I fully accept that you have to know what
version to deal with in order to invoke the correct full parser, and I fully
accept that while in general newer versions are supersets there are also
genuine backwards-incompatibilities that would require different parsing.
It's entirely proper to generate a parser from the MI output syntax.

  The only thing I'm disagreeing is your assumption that there's no way of
determining which MI version to talk without using a full MI parser.  You
can do it MUCH more simply than that.  That's the point which people keep on
having to repeat to you each time you repeat your description of the
problem, because while everyone understands the initial problem, nobody sees
what's wrong with the solutions that have been proposed so far.

> Is this the general feel of the community?

  Well, it's not what I feel, as I hope I've explained patiently above.  I
wouldn't care to speak for the community at large, but I would be surprised
if anyone else felt that it was wrong to generate a parser from the MI
output syntax.  What I feel is wrong is your assumption that a generated
parser is the only possible means of processing plain ascii human readable
text for the purpose of finding and extracting a single integer value.

    cheers, 
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-06 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-03 17:15 Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 13:19   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 12:34       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 10:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:47           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:13             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 16:31               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:46                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 16:55                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:04                     ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 17:15                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:57                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:12                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:21                     ` Dave Korn [this message]
2004-10-06 17:24                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:31                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 17:38                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:41                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:55                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 18:19                                 ` Paul Koning
2004-10-07 10:56                                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:15                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:28                                     ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:37                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:39                                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:50                                           ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 15:38                                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 15:49                                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 16:31                                                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-07 16:45                                                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-07 17:12                                                 ` Dave Korn
     [not found]                                                 ` <200410071614.MAA19648@smtp.ott.qnx.com>
2004-10-08  6:56                                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-08  9:10                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-10 18:13                                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-11 17:46                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:14                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:48                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-13 14:05                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14  7:10                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-14 19:34                                                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14 21:23                                                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-15 15:40                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-15 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 13:28                                                                     ` Michael Chastain
2004-10-15 13:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 18:04                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-16 15:46                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-16 21:56                                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-17 18:59                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 13:51                                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-19 14:18                                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-19 19:28                                                                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-19 20:17                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 18:43                               ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 18:54                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 19:19                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:25                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:36                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:51                         ` Paul Koning
2004-10-06 18:09                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:05                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 19:16 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:20   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:10     ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 20:15       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:13     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-08 10:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-08 18:48         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-10-10 20:46 Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 20:50 ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:05   ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:09     ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:24       ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:27         ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 23:53           ` Laziness Paul Hilfinger
     [not found] <200508292030.NAA29909@hpsje.cup.hp.com>
     [not found] ` <1125360166.9350.69.camel@aretha.corp.specifix.com>
2005-08-30  1:13   ` HP gdb/wdb sources available Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-08-30  2:13     ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-10-26 14:49 backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-10-28 13:49 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:03 Bumping MI protocol Bob Rossi
2004-10-06  5:08 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 11:27   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:38       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 16:45         ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 19:53           ` Bob Rossi
     [not found]       ` <eliz@gnu.org>
2004-10-06 16:57         ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:03           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 17:51 gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 18:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] <5956F1E2-EB0D-11D8-9949-000A9569836A@apple.com>
2004-08-11  0:51 ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Chris Friesen
     [not found]   ` <gdb001@speakeasy.net>
2004-08-11  6:28     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-11  8:25       ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-11 22:43     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-12  4:54       ` OT: " Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 10:34     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 12:54       ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:34         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 18:49           ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:25               ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 19:42                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:59                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 10:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-21 12:34                       ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 13:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <bob@brasko.net>
2004-08-20 18:20           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 21:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 19:21           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:21             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 19:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:16             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 21:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 22:37           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:36           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:40             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 18:42               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-03 19:35                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 19:39           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 20:19             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:00           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:58             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 16:48           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 17:37             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 18:31           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:00             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:07           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 17:01             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 14:59                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 15:49                   ` Mark Kettenis
2004-10-04 16:04                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 10:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 14:18                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:40                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 11:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:39                             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 13:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:55                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:00                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-10-06 17:02                                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:27             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-04 22:14             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:03               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-05  9:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 13:37                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 18:53           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:14           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:21             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 18:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 18:50             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 18:55           ` Bumping MI protocol Felix Lee
2004-10-06 19:43             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 21:04           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-07 18:01           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-07 19:44             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-08  8:54               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-19 20:13           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-19 20:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 21:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-11-09  2:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-10 20:14 GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Bob Rossi
2004-08-10 22:38 ` Kip Macy
2004-08-11  0:17 ` Michael Chastain
2004-08-11  7:36 ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-08-11  8:51 ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-11 18:05 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-11 19:26   ` Alain Magloire
2004-08-11 22:35     ` Jason Molenda
2004-08-12 13:03       ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-19 23:49 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20  7:09   ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 12:47     ` Bob Rossi
2004-07-29  5:10 breaking at for-loop test line Allen Hopkins
2004-07-29 16:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-29 18:58   ` Andre Ancelin
2004-07-30 11:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-03 19:21     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-03 20:09       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-08-03 20:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-25  1:18 [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Michael Chastain
2004-07-25  1:52 ` Felix Lee
2004-07-25  2:43   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found]     ` <drow@false.org>
2004-07-25 22:36       ` Felix Lee
2004-07-26 18:07         ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-07-29 22:21       ` breaking at for-loop test line Felix Lee
2004-07-30  8:23         ` Baurjan Ismagulov
     [not found]           ` <ibr@ata.cs.hun.edu.tr>
2004-07-30 10:46             ` Felix Lee
2004-08-03 18:53               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:06       ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Felix Lee
2004-08-20 19:09         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:20       ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 12:37         ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 19:05       ` gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:24         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:03           ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-05 13:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:53       ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:58       ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-29  8:32       ` backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-07-25  7:59 ` [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27  0:45 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27  2:31   ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27 15:32     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27 15:50       ` Christopher Faylor
2004-07-27 21:17       ` Michael Chastain

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