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From: Felix Lee <felix.1@canids.net>
To: gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: probing GDB for MI versions
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:13:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041019192827.ED7CA502AD8@stray.canids> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041019135137.GB30345@white>  on Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:51:37 EDT from Bob Rossi <bob@brasko.net>

Bob Rossi <bob@brasko.net>:
>    * *requires* a restart

there's no difference between running
    gdb -print-stable-mi-version
and running
    printf "quit\n" | gdb -interpreter=mi

>    * requires printing the latest stable version even though GDB may not be 
>      even speaking that version

'gdb -interpreter=mi' should start the latest stable version, not
the latest version.  so if mi5 is stable and mi6 is unstable,
you'd have to say '-interpreter=mi6' to get the unstable version.

>    * says *nothing* about other versions that GDB supports

so print a list of versions.  this was already mentioned a couple
times.  there's no difference between running
    gdb -print-all-mi-versions
and running
    printf "info mi\nquit\n" | gdb -interpreter=mi

>    * gives no way for a front end to determine if it is using a
>      deprecated protocol.

this can be information in the list of versions.

>    * puts the bug finding of the MI protocol on the users, even though the 
>      protocols have been deprecated.

this is a problem everywhere and difficult to solve in general.
the first thought most people will have is "maybe it's fixed in a
newer version", and it's pretty easy to try a newer gdb version.
also, assume that anyone who knows how to use gdb also knows how
to search for an answer with Google and/or file a bug report.

Bob, I think this discussion would have been finished a long time
ago if you had just submitted a patch for gdb that did what you
wanted.  the first attempt might get some discussion and need
some modification before getting accepted, but that usually
doesn't take very long.

most of this argument has been about people saying basically,
"well, if I were doing it, I'd do it differently", which is just
quibbling for an issue as simple as this.  gdb, like most
volunteer projects, never has enough manpower to do everything
that "should" be done.  development is always about evolution in
response to demand.

the project is the sum of what people care about, and you care
the most about this issue.  any patch you submit has an automatic
advantage over everyone else's lack of interest in working on
this issue, and the gdb people are usually happy to incorporate
anything that isn't egregiously bad.
--

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-19 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <5956F1E2-EB0D-11D8-9949-000A9569836A@apple.com>
2004-08-11  0:51 ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Chris Friesen
     [not found]   ` <gdb001@speakeasy.net>
2004-08-11  6:28     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-11  8:25       ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-11 22:43     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-12  4:54       ` OT: " Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 10:34     ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 12:54       ` Bob Rossi
     [not found]         ` <bob@brasko.net>
2004-08-20 18:20           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-20 21:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 19:21           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:21             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 19:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 20:16             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 21:28           ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 22:37           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:36           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-03 18:40             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 18:42               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-03 19:35                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-03 19:39           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 20:19             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:00           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:34           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 15:58             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 16:48           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 17:37             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 18:31           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:00             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:07           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-03 17:01             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  5:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 14:59                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 15:49                   ` Mark Kettenis
2004-10-04 16:04                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 10:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 14:18                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:40                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 11:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:39                             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 13:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:55                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:00                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-10-06 17:02                                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 21:27             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-04 22:14             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:03               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-05  9:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 13:37                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05 18:53           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:14           ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:21             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 18:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 18:50             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 18:55           ` Bumping MI protocol Felix Lee
2004-10-06 19:43             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 21:04           ` Felix Lee
2004-10-07 18:01           ` probing GDB for MI versions Felix Lee
2004-10-07 19:44             ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-08  8:54               ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-10-19 20:13           ` Felix Lee [this message]
2004-10-19 20:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 21:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-11-09  2:27             ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:34         ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 18:49           ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 18:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:25               ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20 19:42                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:59                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 10:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-21 12:34                       ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-21 13:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-10-10 20:46 Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 20:50 ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:05   ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:09     ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 21:24       ` Laziness David Lecomber
2005-10-10 21:27         ` Laziness Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-10 23:53           ` Laziness Paul Hilfinger
     [not found] <200508292030.NAA29909@hpsje.cup.hp.com>
     [not found] ` <1125360166.9350.69.camel@aretha.corp.specifix.com>
2005-08-30  1:13   ` HP gdb/wdb sources available Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-08-30  2:13     ` Paul Hilfinger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-26 14:49 backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-10-28 13:49 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06  1:03 Bumping MI protocol Bob Rossi
2004-10-06  5:08 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 11:27   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 16:38       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 16:45         ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 19:53           ` Bob Rossi
     [not found]       ` <eliz@gnu.org>
2004-10-06 16:57         ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:03           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 17:51 gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 18:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-03 17:15 probing GDB for MI versions Bob Rossi
2004-10-04  9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-04 13:19   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-05  9:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-05 12:34       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 10:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 11:47           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 12:13             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 16:31               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:46                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 16:55                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:04                     ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-06 17:15                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 16:57                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:12                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:21                     ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:24                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:31                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-06 17:38                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:41                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:55                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 18:19                                 ` Paul Koning
2004-10-07 10:56                                 ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:15                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:28                                     ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:37                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 14:39                                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 14:50                                           ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 15:38                                             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-07 15:49                                               ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-07 16:31                                                 ` Nathan J. Williams
2004-10-07 16:45                                                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-07 17:12                                                 ` Dave Korn
     [not found]                                                 ` <200410071614.MAA19648@smtp.ott.qnx.com>
2004-10-08  6:56                                                   ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-08  9:10                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-10 18:13                                                       ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-11 17:46                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:14                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-13 12:48                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-13 14:05                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14  7:10                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-14 19:34                                                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-14 21:23                                                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-15 15:40                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-15 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 13:28                                                                     ` Michael Chastain
2004-10-15 13:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-15 18:04                                                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-16 15:46                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-16 21:56                                                                         ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-17 18:59                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-19 13:51                                                                             ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-19 14:18                                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-19 19:28                                                                                 ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-19 20:17                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-06 18:43                               ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 18:54                                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 19:19                                   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:25                                     ` 'Bob Rossi'
2004-10-06 17:36                         ` Dave Korn
2004-10-06 17:51                         ` Paul Koning
2004-10-06 18:09                           ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 17:05                 ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 19:16 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-06 19:20   ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:10     ` Alain Magloire
2004-10-06 20:15       ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-06 20:13     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-08 10:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-10-08 18:48         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-10 20:14 GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Bob Rossi
2004-08-10 22:38 ` Kip Macy
2004-08-11  0:17 ` Michael Chastain
2004-08-11  7:36 ` Fabian Cenedese
2004-08-11  8:51 ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-11 18:05 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-11 19:26   ` Alain Magloire
2004-08-11 22:35     ` Jason Molenda
2004-08-12 13:03       ` Nick NoSpam
2004-08-19 23:49 ` Bob Rossi
2004-08-20  7:09   ` Chris Friesen
2004-08-20 12:47     ` Bob Rossi
2004-07-29  5:10 breaking at for-loop test line Allen Hopkins
2004-07-29 16:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-29 18:58   ` Andre Ancelin
2004-07-30 11:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-03 19:21     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-03 20:09       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-08-03 20:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-07-25  1:18 [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Michael Chastain
2004-07-25  1:52 ` Felix Lee
2004-07-25  2:43   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found]     ` <drow@false.org>
2004-07-25 22:36       ` Felix Lee
2004-07-26 18:07         ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:41           ` Felix Lee
2004-07-29 22:21       ` breaking at for-loop test line Felix Lee
2004-07-30  8:23         ` Baurjan Ismagulov
     [not found]           ` <ibr@ata.cs.hun.edu.tr>
2004-07-30 10:46             ` Felix Lee
2004-08-03 18:53               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:06       ` GDB/XMI (XML Machine Interface) Felix Lee
2004-08-20 19:09         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-08-20 19:20       ` Felix Lee
2004-08-21 12:37         ` Bob Rossi
2004-10-04 19:05       ` gdbserver, sysroot, prelink Felix Lee
2004-10-04 19:24         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:03           ` Andrew Cagney
2004-10-05 13:52             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-10-05 13:53       ` Felix Lee
2004-10-06 17:58       ` GDB/MI snapshots between major release's Felix Lee
2004-10-29  8:32       ` backtrace changes current source location Felix Lee
2004-07-25  7:59 ` [proposal/testsuite] require build == host Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27  0:45 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27  2:31   ` Michael Chastain
2004-07-27  4:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-07-27 15:32     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-07-27 15:50       ` Christopher Faylor
2004-07-27 21:17       ` Michael Chastain

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