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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Jim Wilson <jimw@sifive.com>
Cc: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@elastic.org>,
	overseers@gcc.gnu.org,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Overseers mailing list <overseers@sourceware.org>,
	Alexander Monakov <amonakov@ispras.ru>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Subject: Re: Not usable email content encoding
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:32:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200319003242.GT22482@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFyWVaZfY-CfXwsTwrF8LduSBMYdFecD3x7MLP0ZYb8pC5qZPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:52:14PM -0700, Jim Wilson wrote:
> I'm one of the old timers that likes our current work flow, but even I
> think that we are risking our future by staying with antiquated tools.

It's not ancient tools, it is low-requirement generic tools, and
everyone can use that to build a workflow that works for him/herself.

> One of the first things I need to teach new people is now to use email
> "properly".  It is a barrier to entry for new contributors, since our
> requirements aren't how the rest of the world uses email anymore.

Knowing how to use email properly is a very useful life skill.

A large part of the Free Software (and open source) world still uses
email as primary communication medium, too.

Also you might want to read  https://lwn.net/Articles/702177/  for a
different viewpoint.

> LLVM has phabricator.  Some git based projects are using gerrit.
> Github and gitlab are useful services.  We need to think about setting
> up easier ways for people to submit patches, rather than trying to fix
> all of the MUAs and MTAs in the world.

People should not just send patches: they need to explain why it would
be a good idea to include that patch, which requires a lot of talking
*about* the patch.  Email is a difficult medium for that, but it is
still _much_ better than any of the code review website things, imo.

The key point is that email is completely free-form, I think?


Segher

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-19  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-16 13:45 Martin Liška
2020-03-16 13:47 ` Richard Earnshaw
2020-03-16 13:52   ` Martin Liška
2020-03-16 13:51 ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-16 13:52 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-16 13:54 ` Alexander Monakov
2020-03-16 14:11   ` Martin Liška
2020-03-16 14:18     ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-17 19:46   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-17 19:51     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-17 21:45       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-18 10:38       ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-18 11:01         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 11:39           ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-18 14:19           ` Michael Matz
2020-03-18 14:22             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 15:15               ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-03-18 16:22                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 16:42                   ` Michael Matz
2020-03-18 17:36                     ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-18 21:52                     ` Jim Wilson
2020-03-18 22:29                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-18 22:34                         ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-18 22:44                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-19  3:30                             ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-19  3:32                               ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-18 22:45                         ` Joseph Myers
2020-03-18 23:02                           ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-19 13:05                         ` Tom Tromey
2020-03-19 13:26                           ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-19 13:41                             ` Richard Biener
2020-03-19 13:58                               ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-19 18:17                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23  0:54                                 ` Tamar Christina
2020-04-23  5:47                                   ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-23  7:34                                     ` Richard Biener
2020-04-23  9:55                                     ` Tamar Christina
     [not found]                                     ` <CAH6eHdShSXwc4K7ar9HWgHu12tDQe-s2LifdvmVp8VytwYV-ew@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-23  8:39                                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-23 15:32                                       ` Jeff Law
2020-04-23 11:46                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                                     ` <CAH6eHdTHsZWO9vuycKm22dDbSGSfzcrKbzEpb6vNdb-zXCiKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-23 12:30                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 15:33                                     ` Jeff Law
2020-04-23 16:57                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-23 20:32                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 20:27                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 21:14                                         ` Tom Tromey
2020-04-24 15:48                                           ` Thomas Koenig
2020-04-24 17:09                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-01 15:51                                           ` Jeff Law
2020-05-02 12:50                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-19 18:08                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-18 22:33                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-19  0:17                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-19  0:32                       ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2020-04-06 20:58                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-06 21:09                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-06 21:59                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
     [not found]                         ` <CAH6eHdTqJEM90d9+nNWrAa_zZrQQha79oMbnbVsRt_2Zd90PdA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-07  9:53                           ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-08 12:38                             ` Mark Wielaard
2020-04-08 13:50                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-08 21:15                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-13 19:47                                   ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-13 22:53                                     ` Michael Matz
2020-04-14 21:06                                       ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-14 21:38                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-15  2:59                                           ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 15:13                           ` Michael Matz
2020-04-07 15:22                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-07 15:56                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-07 16:09                                 ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 17:08                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-09 18:19                                     ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-07 16:08                             ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 16:58                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-06 23:15                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-21 22:29     ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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