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From: Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>
To: Overseers mailing list <overseers@sourceware.org>,
	Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	overseers@gcc.gnu.org,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	 Alexander Monakov <amonakov@ispras.ru>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: Not usable email content encoding
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 14:38:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8bfed7661c71737f5b3183f47496b5450fc672a6.camel@klomp.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wo6rr59u.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>

Hi,

On Tue, 2020-04-07 at 11:53 +0200, Florian Weimer via Overseers wrote:
> Gmail can drop mail for any reason.  It's totally opaque, so it's a
> poor benchmark for any mailing list configuration changes because it's
> very hard to tell if a particular change is effective or not.
> 
> Many mailing lists have *not* made such changes and continue to work
> just fine in the face of restrictive DMARC sender policies and
> enforcement at the recipient.
> 
> In general, mail drop rates due to DMARC seem to increase in these two
> cases if the original From: header is preserved:
> 
> * The sender (i.e., the domain mentioned in the From: header)
>   publishes a restrictive DMARC policy and the mailing list strips the
>   DKIM signature.
> 
> * The sender signs parts of the message that the mailing list alters,
>   and the mailing list does not strip the DKIM signature.
> 
> If neither scenario applies, it's safe to pass through the message
> without munging.  The mailing list software can detect this and
> restricting the From: header munging to those cases.
> 
> I doubt Mailman 2.x can do this, so it is simply a poor choice as
> mailing list software at this point.

Earlier versions of Mainman2 had some issues which might accidentally
change some headers. But the latest fixes make this possible. It is how
the FSF handles DMARC for various GNU mailinglists (by NOT modifying
the headers and body and passing through the DKIM signatures):
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers-public/2019-06/msg00018.html

Cheers,

Mark

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-08 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-16 13:45 Martin Liška
2020-03-16 13:47 ` Richard Earnshaw
2020-03-16 13:52   ` Martin Liška
2020-03-16 13:51 ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-16 13:52 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-16 13:54 ` Alexander Monakov
2020-03-16 14:11   ` Martin Liška
2020-03-16 14:18     ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-17 19:46   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-17 19:51     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-17 21:45       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-18 10:38       ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-18 11:01         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 11:39           ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-18 14:19           ` Michael Matz
2020-03-18 14:22             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 15:15               ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-03-18 16:22                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-18 16:42                   ` Michael Matz
2020-03-18 17:36                     ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-18 21:52                     ` Jim Wilson
2020-03-18 22:29                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-18 22:34                         ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-18 22:44                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-19  3:30                             ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-19  3:32                               ` Christopher Faylor
2020-03-18 22:45                         ` Joseph Myers
2020-03-18 23:02                           ` Jonathan Wakely
2020-03-19 13:05                         ` Tom Tromey
2020-03-19 13:26                           ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-19 13:41                             ` Richard Biener
2020-03-19 13:58                               ` Florian Weimer
2020-03-19 18:17                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23  0:54                                 ` Tamar Christina
2020-04-23  5:47                                   ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-23  7:34                                     ` Richard Biener
2020-04-23  9:55                                     ` Tamar Christina
     [not found]                                     ` <CAH6eHdShSXwc4K7ar9HWgHu12tDQe-s2LifdvmVp8VytwYV-ew@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-23  8:39                                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-23 15:32                                       ` Jeff Law
2020-04-23 11:46                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                                     ` <CAH6eHdTHsZWO9vuycKm22dDbSGSfzcrKbzEpb6vNdb-zXCiKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-23 12:30                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 15:33                                     ` Jeff Law
2020-04-23 16:57                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-23 20:32                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 20:27                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-23 21:14                                         ` Tom Tromey
2020-04-24 15:48                                           ` Thomas Koenig
2020-04-24 17:09                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-01 15:51                                           ` Jeff Law
2020-05-02 12:50                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-19 18:08                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-18 22:33                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-03-19  0:17                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-19  0:32                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-06 20:58                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-06 21:09                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-06 21:59                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
     [not found]                         ` <CAH6eHdTqJEM90d9+nNWrAa_zZrQQha79oMbnbVsRt_2Zd90PdA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-07  9:53                           ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-08 12:38                             ` Mark Wielaard [this message]
2020-04-08 13:50                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-08 21:15                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-13 19:47                                   ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-13 22:53                                     ` Michael Matz
2020-04-14 21:06                                       ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-14 21:38                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-15  2:59                                           ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 15:13                           ` Michael Matz
2020-04-07 15:22                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-04-07 15:56                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-07 16:09                                 ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 17:08                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-09 18:19                                     ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-07 16:08                             ` Christopher Faylor
2020-04-07 16:58                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-06 23:15                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-03-21 22:29     ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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