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From: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>
To: Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>,
	Aaron Ballman <aaron@aaronballman.com>,
	c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev,
	Autoconf Development <autoconf@gnu.org>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org, cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How can Autoconf help with the transition to stricter compilation defaults?
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 22:35:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2685416.gqKg17ZAdu@nimes> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8101f5cb-082b-8c25-bdf0-7d1cd2531388@cs.ucla.edu>

Paul Eggert wrote:
> > AC_CHECK_FUNC *should not*  just probe for linkability of a symbol
> 
> ... Autoconf cannot 
> be expected to know every signature of every function in every library.

Clang will surely not acquire knowledge about "every library", right,
only about the C library according to relevant standards (ISO C, POSIX)?

> ... In the meantime if 
> Clang becomes pickier by default it would be helpful if there were a 
> well-defined way to shut off Clang's pickiness.

To me it seems the problem is not Clang's pickiness, but rather the
assumptions that it makes about the target environment. There is a
documented way to ask Clang and GCC "assume a free-standing implementation,
not an environment that has the ISO C / POSIX / LSB / ... functions":
  1) -ffreestanding         [1][2]
  2) -fno-builtin

Can we assume that these options will continue to work?

If so, all Autoconf needs to do is to pass these options to the compiler
in AC_CHECK_FUNC checks. Then we don't need to add knowledge about each
of the hundreds of standard libc functions into Autoconf.

Bruno

[1] https://clang.llvm.org/docs/ClangCommandLineReference.html
[2] https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-12.2.0/gcc/C-Dialect-Options.html




  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-17 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10 17:16 Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 17:52 ` Nick Bowler
2022-11-10 17:58   ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:12     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:44       ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-12  2:56   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-11-10 21:44   ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:22   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:08 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:40   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:43     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:27       ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:45     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:59   ` Wookey
2022-11-12 16:12     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:19 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-10 21:05   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 15:11     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 12:41         ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-14 18:14           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 18:30             ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 18:35             ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 14:50             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 19:08               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 19:27                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 20:27                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 20:57                     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 23:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 23:43                         ` Ben Boeckel
2022-11-16 14:26                     ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 14:40                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-11-16 15:01                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 15:27                           ` Richard Biener
2022-11-16 15:35                             ` Sam James
2022-11-16 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:20                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 16:34                                   ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:46                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 18:17                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:40                         ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-11-17 18:45                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:59                         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-17 18:58                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 21:35                             ` Bruno Haible [this message]
2022-11-17 22:27                               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:30                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-15 20:36                 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15  5:03         ` Sam James
2022-11-15 13:30           ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-15 13:34             ` Sam James
2022-11-16  0:08           ` Bob Friesenhahn
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:57         ` Jason Merrill
2022-11-10 20:19 ` Paul Eggert
     [not found] ` <d785b19371e8419f5a5817d7cdb429db91614a3a.camel@orlitzky.com>
2022-11-11  3:08   ` Sam James
2022-11-11  3:33     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11  8:40       ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:02       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 14:09         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 23:25       ` Sam James
2022-11-12  0:53         ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:00           ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:15 ` Sam James

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