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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Aaron Ballman <aaron@aaronballman.com>,
	 Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	 c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev,  autoconf@gnu.org,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org,  cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org,
	 Gnulib bugs <bug-gnulib@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: How can Autoconf help with the transition to stricter compilation defaults?
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:30:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y1sdtmll.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f38000ed-6b9e-8703-6620-e5f52da9c5a2@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 14 Nov 2022 10:14:07 -0800")

* Paul Eggert:

> On 2022-11-14 04:41, Aaron Ballman wrote:
>> it's generally a problem when autoconf relies on invalid
>> language constructs
>
> Autoconf *must* rely on invalid language constructs, if only to test
> whether the language constructs work. And Clang therefore must be 
> careful about how it diagnoses invalid constructs. Clang shouldn't
> willy-nilly change the way it reports invalid constructs, as that can 
> break Autoconf.

This is only true for the status quo.  We could finally band together
and define an interface between autoconf and the toolchain that avoids
feature probing through source code fragments for common cases.  It
might make configure scripts to run quite a bit faster, too.

That being said, system compilers need to be careful when turning
warnings into errors by default, but that doesn't mean we should never
do such changes, particularly when we know based on interactions with
programmers that the warnings are not sufficient for avoiding wasted
time.

Thanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-14 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10 17:16 Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 17:52 ` Nick Bowler
2022-11-10 17:58   ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:12     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:44       ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-12  2:56   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-11-10 21:44   ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:22   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:08 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:40   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:43     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:27       ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:45     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:59   ` Wookey
2022-11-12 16:12     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:19 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-10 21:05   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 15:11     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 12:41         ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-14 18:14           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 18:30             ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2022-11-14 18:35             ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 14:50             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 19:08               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 19:27                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 20:27                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 20:57                     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 23:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 23:43                         ` Ben Boeckel
2022-11-16 14:26                     ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 14:40                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-11-16 15:01                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 15:27                           ` Richard Biener
2022-11-16 15:35                             ` Sam James
2022-11-16 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:20                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 16:34                                   ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:46                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 18:17                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:40                         ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-11-17 18:45                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:59                         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-17 18:58                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 21:35                             ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-17 22:27                               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:30                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-15 20:36                 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15  5:03         ` Sam James
2022-11-15 13:30           ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-15 13:34             ` Sam James
2022-11-16  0:08           ` Bob Friesenhahn
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:57         ` Jason Merrill
2022-11-10 20:19 ` Paul Eggert
     [not found] ` <d785b19371e8419f5a5817d7cdb429db91614a3a.camel@orlitzky.com>
2022-11-11  3:08   ` Sam James
2022-11-11  3:33     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11  8:40       ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:02       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 14:09         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 23:25       ` Sam James
2022-11-12  0:53         ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:00           ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:15 ` Sam James

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