From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: noloader@gmail.com
Cc: c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev, autoconf@gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org, Gnulib bugs <bug-gnulib@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: How can Autoconf help with the transition to stricter compilation defaults?
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 10:45:53 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b391dbc3-0649-8c9b-5d7e-8604c2feb917@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8=2YqtpU-6d4NWdVDx7D2xM4FrxmVJ9AWWKO_piUVa3_w@mail.gmail.com>
On 2022-11-16 10:40, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> This line of arguments is not persuasive. It is full of logical fallacies.
... none of which you stated.
No matter how we solve the problem, it will be a hack that exploits
"logical fallacies" (whatever that means). However, a reaction "You
violated the C standard! You deserve to be punished!" is not the best
one for the overall software ecosystem. Lots of programs violate the C
standard every day, and Clang supports them anyway.
Yesterday I dealt with this Autoconf bug report:
https://lists.gnu.org/r/autoconf/2022-11/msg00092.html
which basically said, "Here's some longstanding buggy code that uses
Autoconf. This buggy code happened to work in the previous stable
Autoconf version, but it stopped working in the bleeding-edge version."
Did I respond, "That's buggy code and it deserves to be punished?" No, I
responded that it's buggy code that needs to be fixed (and gave a fix),
but fixing this sort of thing is a hassle for distributors and so I also
installed a minor hack to bleeding-edge Autoconf that lets the buggy
code work again, at least for now.
<https://lists.gnu.org/r/autoconf/2022-11/msg00118.html>
It would help if Clang developers could cooperate to address this
potential problem with stricter compilation defaults. It's a real
problem. And it shouldn't require much work on the Clang side to address it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-17 18:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-10 17:16 Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 17:52 ` Nick Bowler
2022-11-10 17:58 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:12 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:44 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-12 2:56 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-11-10 21:44 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12 3:22 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:08 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12 3:40 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 3:43 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:27 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 3:45 ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:59 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 16:12 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:19 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-10 21:05 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 15:11 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-13 0:43 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 12:41 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-14 18:14 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 18:30 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 18:35 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 14:50 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 19:08 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 19:27 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 20:27 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 20:57 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 23:09 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 23:43 ` Ben Boeckel
2022-11-16 14:26 ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 14:40 ` Alexander Monakov
2022-11-16 15:01 ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 15:27 ` Richard Biener
2022-11-16 15:35 ` Sam James
2022-11-16 15:59 ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:20 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 16:34 ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:46 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 18:17 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:40 ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-11-17 18:45 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2022-11-16 18:59 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-17 18:58 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 21:35 ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-17 22:27 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:30 ` Michael Matz
2022-11-15 20:36 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 5:03 ` Sam James
2022-11-15 13:30 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-15 13:34 ` Sam James
2022-11-16 0:08 ` Bob Friesenhahn
2022-11-13 0:43 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:57 ` Jason Merrill
2022-11-10 20:19 ` Paul Eggert
[not found] ` <d785b19371e8419f5a5817d7cdb429db91614a3a.camel@orlitzky.com>
2022-11-11 3:08 ` Sam James
2022-11-11 3:33 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 8:40 ` Sam James
2022-11-11 9:02 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 14:09 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 23:25 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 0:53 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 4:00 ` Sam James
2022-11-11 9:15 ` Sam James
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