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From: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>,
	 Aaron Ballman <aaron@aaronballman.com>,
	Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	 c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev, autoconf@gnu.org,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org,  cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org,
	Gnulib bugs <bug-gnulib@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: How can Autoconf help with the transition to stricter compilation defaults?
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 13:30:26 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.2211171322320.5466@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4cfa16b3-e9e0-0ec0-659c-e4aef6090995@cs.ucla.edu>

Hello,

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022, Paul Eggert wrote:

> On 2022-11-16 06:26, Michael Matz wrote:
> > char foobar(void);
> > int main(void) {
> >    return &foobar != 0;
> > }
> 
> That still has undefined behavior according to draft C23,

This is correct (and also holds for the actually working variant later, 
with a volatile variable).  If your argument is then that as both 
solutions for the link-test problem are relying on undefined behaviour 
they are equivalent and hence no change is needed, you have a point, but I 
disagree.  In practice one (with the call) will cause more problems than 
the other (with address taking).

> If Clang's threatened pickiness were of some real use elsewhere, it 
> might be justifiable for default Clang to break Autoconf. But so far we 
> haven't seen real-world uses that would justify this pickiness for 
> Autoconf's use of 'char memset_explicit(void);'.

Note that both, GCC and clang, already warn (not error out!) about the 
mismatching decl, even without any headers.  So we are in the pickiness 
era already.

I.e. a C file containing just a single line "char printf(void);" will be 
warned about, by default.  There is about nothing that autoconf could do 
to rectify this, except containing a long list of prototypes for 
well-known functions, with the associated maintenance hassle.  But 
autoconf _can_ do something about how the decls are used in the 
link-tests.


Ciao,
Michael.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-17 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10 17:16 Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 17:52 ` Nick Bowler
2022-11-10 17:58   ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:12     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:44       ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-12  2:56   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-11-10 21:44   ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:22   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:08 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:40   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:43     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:27       ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:45     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:59   ` Wookey
2022-11-12 16:12     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:19 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-10 21:05   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 15:11     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 12:41         ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-14 18:14           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 18:30             ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 18:35             ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 14:50             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 19:08               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 19:27                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 20:27                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 20:57                     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 23:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 23:43                         ` Ben Boeckel
2022-11-16 14:26                     ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 14:40                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-11-16 15:01                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 15:27                           ` Richard Biener
2022-11-16 15:35                             ` Sam James
2022-11-16 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:20                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 16:34                                   ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:46                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 18:17                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:40                         ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-11-17 18:45                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:59                         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-17 18:58                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 21:35                             ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-17 22:27                               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:30                         ` Michael Matz [this message]
2022-11-15 20:36                 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15  5:03         ` Sam James
2022-11-15 13:30           ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-15 13:34             ` Sam James
2022-11-16  0:08           ` Bob Friesenhahn
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:57         ` Jason Merrill
2022-11-10 20:19 ` Paul Eggert
     [not found] ` <d785b19371e8419f5a5817d7cdb429db91614a3a.camel@orlitzky.com>
2022-11-11  3:08   ` Sam James
2022-11-11  3:33     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11  8:40       ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:02       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 14:09         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 23:25       ` Sam James
2022-11-12  0:53         ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:00           ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:15 ` Sam James

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