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From: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	Michael Orlitzky <michael@orlitzky.com>,
	Autoconf Development <autoconf@gnu.org>,
	c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev, GCC Development <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: How can Autoconf help with the transition to stricter compilation defaults?
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 04:00:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9356B8F9-7DD9-439C-AD36-67FC24029FB0@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <288fe53e-c58c-c179-0ead-65b4df321537@cs.ucla.edu>

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> On 12 Nov 2022, at 00:53, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-11-11 15:25, Sam James wrote:
>> That's not a judgement on whether the changes will ultimately remain in autoconf, I'm just
>> hesitant to allow a discussion I've kicked off to derail something that we were planning
>> on doing anyway.
>> What do you think?
> 
> I'm hesitant to do that partly because the changes to _TIME_BITS are already released in multiple packages and need to be dealt with, regardless of whether they're backed out of Autoconf. This is because they've been in Gnulib since July and several packages based on these Gnulib changes have been released since then. Current Gnulib assumes these changes will appear in the next Autoconf release; if that's not true, we'll need to upgrade Gnulib and in the meantime the other packages released since July would still have the changes whatever we do with Gnulib and/or Autoconf.
> 
> Since distros need to deal with the issue anyway, regardless of what Autoconf and/or Gnulib does, I don't see why backing the changes out of Autoconf will help all that much.
> 
> It should pretty easy for a distro to say "hold on, I don't want 64-bit time_t yet" without changing either Autoconf or Gnulib so if you want to go that route please feel free to do so.

The fact it's already shipped in gnulib & that the "real problem" is in glibc IMO means that I don't feel
strongly about reverting it.

You're right that distros have the toggle so as long as we mention this prominently enough in NEWS,
I don't have a strong objection to master being released as-is.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-12  4:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10 17:16 Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 17:52 ` Nick Bowler
2022-11-10 17:58   ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:12     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-10 18:44       ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-12  2:56   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:05 ` Rich Felker
2022-11-10 21:44   ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:22   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:08 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-12  3:40   ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:43     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:27       ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:45     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:59   ` Wookey
2022-11-12 16:12     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-10 18:19 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-10 21:05   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 15:11     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 12:41         ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-14 18:14           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 18:30             ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 18:35             ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 14:50             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 19:08               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 19:27                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-15 20:27                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 20:57                     ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15 23:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 23:43                         ` Ben Boeckel
2022-11-16 14:26                     ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 14:40                       ` Alexander Monakov
2022-11-16 15:01                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 15:27                           ` Richard Biener
2022-11-16 15:35                             ` Sam James
2022-11-16 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:20                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 16:34                                   ` Michael Matz
2022-11-16 16:46                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-16 18:17                       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:40                         ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-11-17 18:45                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-16 18:59                         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-17 18:58                           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 21:35                             ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-17 22:27                               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:30                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-15 20:36                 ` Aaron Ballman
2022-11-15  5:03         ` Sam James
2022-11-15 13:30           ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-15 13:34             ` Sam James
2022-11-16  0:08           ` Bob Friesenhahn
2022-11-13  0:43       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-17 13:57         ` Jason Merrill
2022-11-10 20:19 ` Paul Eggert
     [not found] ` <d785b19371e8419f5a5817d7cdb429db91614a3a.camel@orlitzky.com>
2022-11-11  3:08   ` Sam James
2022-11-11  3:33     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11  8:40       ` Sam James
2022-11-11  9:02       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 14:09         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-11 23:25       ` Sam James
2022-11-12  0:53         ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:00           ` Sam James [this message]
2022-11-11  9:15 ` Sam James

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