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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org>
Cc: "Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, autoconf@gnu.org,
	c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev,
	"Zack Weinberg" <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	"David Seifert" <soap@gentoo.org>,
	"Gentoo Toolchain" <toolchain@gentoo.org>,
	"Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>,
	"Paul Eggert" <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	"Frederic Berat" <fberat@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: On time64 and Large File Support
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:30:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7tdpw38.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9018152.CDJkKcVGEf@pinacolada> (Andreas K. Huettel's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:40:35 +0100")

* Andreas K. Huettel:

>> >
>> > Proposal: glibc gains two new build-time configure options:
>> > * --enable-hard-time64
>> > * --enable-hard-lfs
>> 
>> We should define new target triplets for this if it's really required.
>> 
>
> That doesn't really help anyone *but* Debian ...
>
>> We need to support legacy binaries on i386.  Few libraries are
>> explicitly dual-ABI.  Whether it's safe to switch libraries above
>> glibc to LFS or time64 needs to be evaluated on a per-library
>> basis.  For most distributions, no one is going to do that work,
>> and we have to stick to whathever we are building today.
>
> ... since for Debian the libraries with different ABI end up in different
> multiarch paths then.

I didn't expect co-installability as a requirement.  But yes, if that's
the goal, we need non-overlapping paths.

> Anyone with a more, ahem, standard filesystem arrangement has to find
> a different solution for the problem of legacy binaries.

We can have lib, lib64, libx32, and lib32t quite easily, that's not the
problem.  What's missing is ldconfig support.  The previous three x86
architectures have ELF-level selectors; we might need something special
there as well.

Debian does not have a multi-arch ldconfig, either.  Their path layout
isn't really ideal for that because it lacks a marker directory like
glibc-hwcaps that would allow ldconfig to build the cache from file
system content without knowledge of the exact architecture list.

Maybe I can get justification for upstreaming some form of multi-arch
support in the toolchain.  But I find it difficult to make this a top
priority.  (We currently use the upstream path layout in our
distributions.)

Thanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-11 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-11  8:38 Sam James
2022-11-11  9:16 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11  9:19   ` Sam James
2022-11-11 23:48   ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-11  9:19 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11  9:27   ` Sam James
2022-11-11 11:38     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 20:12       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  2:20     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:57       ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:16         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 17:41           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 18:50             ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-12 19:15               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 20:23                 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 20:54                   ` Russ Allbery
2022-11-12 21:31                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15  5:09                     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:19       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11  9:40   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 11:30     ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2022-11-11 19:01       ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 19:28         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-11-11  9:46   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 11:22     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 19:56       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:20   ` Wookey
2022-11-12  4:28     ` Sam James
2022-11-12  4:56       ` Wookey
2022-11-12  4:59         ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:33     ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14  8:39   ` Adam Sampson
2022-11-14 11:47     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 20:26     ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-14 20:52       ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-15  7:39         ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-11 10:25 ` Richard Purdie
2023-03-01 22:38 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-02  0:29   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-03-02  9:04     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-02 10:28       ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-02 10:38         ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-03  5:46           ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-06  8:58             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-06 10:19               ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-02 11:02         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02 12:17           ` Bruno Haible
2023-03-02 13:24             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03  3:30               ` Wookey
2023-03-03  5:50                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-03 14:01                   ` Wookey
2023-03-03 14:14                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03 23:21             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-03 11:49           ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-03 12:39             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02  8:30   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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