From: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: "Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
autoconf@gnu.org, c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev,
"Zack Weinberg" <zack@owlfolio.org>,
"David Seifert" <soap@gentoo.org>,
"Gentoo Toolchain" <toolchain@gentoo.org>,
"Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>
Subject: Re: On time64 and Large File Support
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:19:31 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BECC3205-454C-4F69-8929-4A056B00BF5C@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfa8eb6f-877d-7149-0ace-d9541118babb@cs.ucla.edu>
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> On 11 Nov 2022, at 09:16, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> On 2022-11-11 00:38, Sam James wrote:
>> All that to say, I don't propose making these options unconditional,
>> because I think the boat has sailed as of glibc-2.34 [4], and I think
>> it's fair that autoconf keep the behaviour as described in git master
>> right now given the situation with glibc, but I don't think it's
>> a wise path for most distributions to follow.
> As a practical matter, I expect that each distro will have to do a big-bang move, assuming the distro want to support traditional 32-bit platforms at all. It makes little sense to try to have some programs and libraries with 32-bit time_t, while others have 64-bit time_t. Just switch to 64-bit time_t everywhere.
>
> This is not something distros can put off for long. We're only 15 years from when 32-bit time_t stops working. If distros plan to to support traditional 32-bit platforms, they really need to do the big-bang move soon. They can do it by predefining _TIME_BITS=64 and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64, or by using the new Autoconf macros, or whatever.
>
> One possible way forward would be for glibc to change its defaults for _FILE_OFFSET_BITS and _TIME_BITS to be 64, in the next major release. This would make it easier to do a big-bang switch, which is what people need to do anyway. The backward-compatibility argument for defaulting these to 32 is making less and less sense as time goes on.
+1.
I completely agree and I've reached the same conclusion. My suggestion for configure args
was to be a bit more gentle and avoid controversy, but really, your suggestion would work and would
force distros to handle it at the same time, which is best for users.
(And I really did try to make piecemeal work, but I've decided it can't.)
I think we're at risk of distros either putting this off or equivocating which
just harms our users. I should've spoken up at the time of 2.34.
FWIW, musl did this and it really was for the best: https://musl.libc.org/time64.html.
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-11 8:38 Sam James
2022-11-11 9:16 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 9:19 ` Sam James [this message]
2022-11-11 23:48 ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-11 9:19 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 9:27 ` Sam James
2022-11-11 11:38 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 20:12 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 2:20 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 3:57 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:16 ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 17:41 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 18:50 ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-12 19:15 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 20:23 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 20:54 ` Russ Allbery
2022-11-12 21:31 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15 5:09 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:19 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 9:40 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 11:30 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 19:01 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 19:28 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-11-11 9:46 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 11:22 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 19:56 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 4:20 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 4:28 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 4:56 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 4:59 ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:33 ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14 8:39 ` Adam Sampson
2022-11-14 11:47 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 20:26 ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-14 20:52 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-15 7:39 ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-11 10:25 ` Richard Purdie
2023-03-01 22:38 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-02 0:29 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-03-02 9:04 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-02 10:28 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-02 10:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-03 5:46 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-06 8:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-06 10:19 ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-02 11:02 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02 12:17 ` Bruno Haible
2023-03-02 13:24 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03 3:30 ` Wookey
2023-03-03 5:50 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-03 14:01 ` Wookey
2023-03-03 14:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03 23:21 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-03 11:49 ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-03 12:39 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02 8:30 ` Richard W.M. Jones
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