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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	autoconf@gnu.org
Cc: c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev,
	"Zack Weinberg" <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	"David Seifert" <soap@gentoo.org>,
	"Gentoo Toolchain" <toolchain@gentoo.org>,
	"Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>
Subject: Re: On time64 and Large File Support
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 01:16:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfa8eb6f-877d-7149-0ace-d9541118babb@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A6582515-25ED-4F71-B924-4431F8139376@gentoo.org>

On 2022-11-11 00:38, Sam James wrote:
> All that to say, I don't propose making these options unconditional,
> because I think the boat has sailed as of glibc-2.34 [4], and I think
> it's fair that autoconf keep the behaviour as described in git master
> right now given the situation with glibc, but I don't think it's
> a wise path for most distributions to follow.
As a practical matter, I expect that each distro will have to do a 
big-bang move, assuming the distro want to support traditional 32-bit 
platforms at all. It makes little sense to try to have some programs and 
libraries with 32-bit time_t, while others have 64-bit time_t. Just 
switch to 64-bit time_t everywhere.

This is not something distros can put off for long. We're only 15 years 
from when 32-bit time_t stops working. If distros plan to to support 
traditional 32-bit platforms, they really need to do the big-bang move 
soon. They can do it by predefining _TIME_BITS=64 and 
_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64, or by using the new Autoconf macros, or whatever.

One possible way forward would be for glibc to change its defaults for 
_FILE_OFFSET_BITS and _TIME_BITS to be 64, in the next major release. 
This would make it easier to do a big-bang switch, which is what people 
need to do anyway. The backward-compatibility argument for defaulting 
these to 32 is making less and less sense as time goes on.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-11  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-11  8:38 Sam James
2022-11-11  9:16 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2022-11-11  9:19   ` Sam James
2022-11-11 23:48   ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-11  9:19 ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11  9:27   ` Sam James
2022-11-11 11:38     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 20:12       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  2:20     ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12  3:57       ` Sam James
2022-11-12 14:16         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-11-12 17:41           ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 18:50             ` Bruno Haible
2022-11-12 19:15               ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12 20:23                 ` Wookey
2022-11-12 20:54                   ` Russ Allbery
2022-11-12 21:31                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-15  5:09                     ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:19       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11  9:40   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 11:30     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 19:01       ` Andreas K. Huettel
2022-11-11 19:28         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-11-11  9:46   ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-11 11:22     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-11 19:56       ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-12  4:20   ` Wookey
2022-11-12  4:28     ` Sam James
2022-11-12  4:56       ` Wookey
2022-11-12  4:59         ` Sam James
2022-11-12 18:33     ` Paul Eggert
2022-11-14  8:39   ` Adam Sampson
2022-11-14 11:47     ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-14 20:26     ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-14 20:52       ` Florian Weimer
2022-11-15  7:39         ` Arsen Arsenović
2022-11-11 10:25 ` Richard Purdie
2023-03-01 22:38 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-02  0:29   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-03-02  9:04     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-02 10:28       ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-02 10:38         ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-03  5:46           ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-06  8:58             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-03-06 10:19               ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-02 11:02         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02 12:17           ` Bruno Haible
2023-03-02 13:24             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03  3:30               ` Wookey
2023-03-03  5:50                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-03-03 14:01                   ` Wookey
2023-03-03 14:14                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-03 23:21             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-03 11:49           ` Florian Weimer
2023-03-03 12:39             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2023-03-02  8:30   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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