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From: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@sfconservancy.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>
Subject: Re: Seeking input from developers: glibc copyright assignment policy.
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 11:05:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YOSbdZqC7vykobUz@ebb.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89e0ff1d-2500-3fa4-4565-e6ef30656b95@cs.ucla.edu>

> On 7/4/21 10:28 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> > It is procedurally easier to use a group name: "The GNU Toolchain Authors"
> > but we can honour requests to do otherwise.

Paul Eggert wrote:
> OK, so the start of the file with some DCOed contributions would look
> something like this?
>
>   /* Word-wrapping and line-truncating streams.
>      Copyright (C) 1997-2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>      Copyright (C) 2021-2022 The GNU Toolchain Authors.

Is the “GNU Toolchain Authors” a entity that legally exists?  Only a real
entity should be listed in a copyright notice.  I talked about this in
detail in my earlier post a few days ago:
   https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2021-July/128467.html

Quoting the relevant part of that email:
>> it's a big mistake to create a copyright notice that lists as the legal
>> entity as something that has no legal standing.  So, unless you plan to
>> form an organization called “the glibc Contributors” [or “GNU Toolchain
>> Authors” ], I advise against that notice. [... IANAL and TINLA]

As a way to mitigate this problem and get closer to what you're trying to do,
I make the case again for moving glibc from a file-by-file copyright
inventory mechanism to a single, toplevel file one as I outlined in that
post.  Conservancy can probably spare resources to help if you'd like to do
that.

Joseph Myers wrote:
>>> with no date specified and not naming individual contributors, following
>>> the recommendations at
>>> <https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/copyright-notices-in-open-source-software-projects/>.

These recommendations, and similar ones promulgated by the LF and its SPDX
project, are considered controversial, and legal experts have not formed
consensus around them; by contrast, they are still hotly debated in FOSS
legal and licensing circles. I began proposing the toplevel file COPYRIGHT
notice mechanism as a compromise that solved many of the concerns on both
sides (desire for accurate and complete info vs. the desire for brevity in
a file-by-file situation).  I don't purport it to be a pancea, but it has
some real advantages.

There are also political and negative policy outcomes from failing to
list every copyright holder; I wrote on this issue, which to add a bit of
humor to a dry subject, I dubbed "a Gilligan's Island Copyright Notice":
   http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2011/06/28/gilligans-island.html
.. the problem has not substantially changed since that blog post.
--
Bradley M. Kuhn - he/him
Policy Fellow & Hacker-in-Residence at Software Freedom Conservancy
========================================================================
Become a Conservancy Supporter today: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-06 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-14 18:52 Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-14 19:08 ` Rich Felker
2021-06-14 19:25   ` Khem Raj
2021-06-14 20:05 ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-14 20:22   ` Matt Turner
2021-06-15 20:28     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-14 21:16   ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-14 20:18 ` Matt Turner
2021-06-14 20:22 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-06-15  2:48 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-15  3:18 ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 17:41   ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 18:43     ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 19:05       ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 19:12         ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 19:35           ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 19:42             ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 20:08             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-02 22:33             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-03  1:59               ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04  0:40                 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04 11:55                   ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-04 18:32                     ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04 23:25                       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-05 15:26                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-07-06 18:02                           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-05  5:28                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-05 20:21                         ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-06 18:05                           ` Bradley M. Kuhn [this message]
2021-07-06 19:42                             ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                               ` <YOTTfm12jac/NYe5@ebb.org>
2021-07-07  8:51                                 ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-07 15:01                                   ` Joseph Myers
2021-07-05  5:00                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-05  5:28                       ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-05 20:37                 ` Joseph Myers
2021-07-03  3:24               ` Bruno Haible
2021-07-05  5:53                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-15  3:39 ` Daniel Black
2021-06-15 16:09 ` Josh Triplett
2021-06-16 13:01 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-06-16 14:08 ` Adam Sampson
2021-06-16 19:33   ` Joseph Myers
2021-06-16 19:45 ` Phil Blundell
2021-06-30 21:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-01  5:24   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-07-01 19:33     ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-02  3:29       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-07-03  6:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-01  8:19   ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-07-02  8:59   ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-30 22:21 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-06-23  1:04 Bruno Haible
2021-06-23  3:19 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-24 19:30   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  2:23     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  6:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  6:47         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  7:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  8:57             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  9:43               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 11:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 12:07                   ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:11                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 12:14                     ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:25                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 12:33                         ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:48                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 13:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 14:06                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-26  6:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-28  4:11                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-28 12:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-28 13:06                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-28 14:04                                         ` Phil Blundell
2021-06-28 14:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 11:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 12:24                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  7:24         ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25  7:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  8:23             ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 11:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  6:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-02 22:23 Craig Topham
2021-07-05 14:59 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2021-07-05 16:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 18:52     ` Paul Eggert

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