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From: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>
To: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>, libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Seeking input from developers: glibc copyright assignment policy.
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 08:49:24 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6437c73-cc30-cd3f-6ef3-a39174596d03@gotplt.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4369849.fY2oj7UdlA@omega>

On 6/23/21 6:34 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
> Accepting DCO-based contributions has legal risks (see [1] and others).
> 
> The cited advantage of the DCO policy is that it promises "future growth
> and vibrancy" [2].
> 
> How would this advantage work in practice? It would mean that an
> occasional contributor, after contributing a patch, would not have to
> wait a longer time until their patch is accepted. Thus increasing the
> motivation of the contributor to contribute again.
> 
> So, you have occasional contributors, for whom the DCO can be an
> advantage. And you have regular contributors, who can be expected to
> do the paperwork with the FSF; it's a one-time thing.

For me it is inclusion of (1) occasional contributors who may fix a bug 
that's bothering them and walk away (2) contributors who prefer to 
retain ownership of their content for various reasons and (3) 
contributors who do not wish to assign copyright to the FSF for various 
reasons.

I, as a regular contributor belong to a mix of 2 and 3.  I would 
generally prefer to retain copyright to my work unless it is done at the 
behest of my employer (in which case they deservedly own it since they 
pay me for it) but can be persuaded to assign copyright to an 
organization I trust to represent my values.

> Occasional contributors will typically not start their journey with
> contributions to the dynamic loader, the thread library, or the regex
> engine.

If only that were true.  In my experience we have had more occasional 
contributors fixing problems that bother them in various 'core' 
components rather than tests and documentation.

> Here is a proposal to keep the advantage for most occasional contributors,
> while at the same time reducing legal risk for the important parts of
> glibc.
> 
> 1) Define a "core" of glibc to be the set of files which you would not
>     want to see as the subject of "this file contains a copyright violation,
>     you must remove it" claim by some company, university, or ill-behaving
>     individual.
> 
> 2) Allow DCO contributions only to non-core files of glibc.
> 
> This means, occasional contributors would be able to contribute with DCO
> to things like unit tests, iconv conversion modules, assembly-language
> implementations for <string.h> functions, the nscd daemon, and such.
> But would be required to exchange papers for legally significant [3]
> contributions to "core" areas (that IMO would include the dynamic loader,
> the thread library, and the regex engine).
> 
> Such a policy would provide a balance between
>    - motivating contributors during their first contributions, and
>    - avoiding legal risk.

All of this assumes that a copyright assignment is somehow superior to 
DCO when it comes to legal defense and that the latter is just a 
compromise.  I am not convinced that it is.

Siddhesh

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-23  3:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-23  1:04 Bruno Haible
2021-06-23  3:19 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar [this message]
2021-06-24 19:30   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  2:23     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  6:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  6:47         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  7:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  8:57             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  9:43               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 11:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 12:07                   ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:11                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 12:14                     ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:25                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 12:33                         ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 12:48                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25 13:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 14:06                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-26  6:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-28  4:11                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-28 12:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-28 13:06                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-28 14:04                                         ` Phil Blundell
2021-06-28 14:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 11:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 12:24                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-25  7:24         ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25  7:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  8:23             ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-25 11:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25  6:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-07-02 22:23 Craig Topham
2021-07-05 14:59 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2021-07-05 16:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 18:52     ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-14 18:52 Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-14 19:08 ` Rich Felker
2021-06-14 19:25   ` Khem Raj
2021-06-14 20:05 ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-14 20:22   ` Matt Turner
2021-06-15 20:28     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-14 21:16   ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-14 20:18 ` Matt Turner
2021-06-14 20:22 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-06-15  2:48 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-06-15  3:18 ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 17:41   ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 18:43     ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 19:05       ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 19:12         ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 19:35           ` Paul Eggert
2021-06-15 19:42             ` DJ Delorie
2021-06-15 20:08             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-02 22:33             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-03  1:59               ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04  0:40                 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04 11:55                   ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-04 18:32                     ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-04 23:25                       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-05 15:26                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-07-06 18:02                           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-05  5:28                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-05 20:21                         ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-06 18:05                           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-06 19:42                             ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                               ` <YOTTfm12jac/NYe5@ebb.org>
2021-07-07  8:51                                 ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-07 15:01                                   ` Joseph Myers
2021-07-05  5:00                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-07-05  5:28                       ` Florian Weimer
2021-07-05 20:37                 ` Joseph Myers
2021-07-03  3:24               ` Bruno Haible
2021-07-05  5:53                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-06-15  3:39 ` Daniel Black
2021-06-15 16:09 ` Josh Triplett
2021-06-16 13:01 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-06-16 14:08 ` Adam Sampson
2021-06-16 19:33   ` Joseph Myers
2021-06-16 19:45 ` Phil Blundell
2021-06-30 21:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-01  5:24   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-07-01 19:33     ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2021-07-02  3:29       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-07-03  6:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-01  8:19   ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-07-02  8:59   ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-30 22:21 ` Mark Wielaard

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