[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Jon TURNEY]

The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:

*** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
*** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1

These packages contain XWin and the other X.Org X11 servers.

In addition to upstream fixes [1], the following cygwin-specific changes have
been made since 1.10.2-2:

* On Windows 7, use new taskbar APIs so X windows are grouped on the taskbar
more correctly (Thanks to Tobias Häußler)

f35bbc4484aeba21b9e1a4b08dd41bb4 *xorg-server-1.10.3-1.tar.bz2
b194b41ea11ee505e37c90c60846b687 *xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1.tar.bz2
8f381962a2e478d782ee37eda38477f3 *xorg-server-1.10.3-1-src.tar.bz2

[1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2011-July/001710.html

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Eliot Moss]

On 7/19/2011 10:24 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:
> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>
> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1

...

> * On Windows 7, use new taskbar APIs so X windows are grouped on the taskbar
> more correctly (Thanks to Tobias Häußler)

I have a wondering about whether this accomplishes something I
have been desiring ... apparently not, but perhaps I have simply
not set things up right.

- I start XWin via run.exe invoking a startxwin.bat file. This avoid a
   needless console window.
- I have created a Windows shortcut for this, and given it the XWin.exe
   icon by pointing the shortcut's icon selection to XWin.exe.
- I get a *separate* instance of the XWin icon when XWin starts up,
   that is, separate from the run.exe one.

What I would *like* is for the running instance of XWin.exe to be
considered as "having the same icon", so that I don't get two instances,
one for the run.exe shortcut and another for the running XWin.

Is there another/better way I can arrange this?

Regards -- Eliot Moss

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Linda Walsh]

Jon TURNEY wrote:

> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
> 
> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1

----
	How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
line)....

	The GUI has no option to only install 1 package --
it selects ALL, (100's of my packages want updates, but when I tried I
tried it last, I ended up with a completely non-function cygwin setup
(no bash, nada..., thank goddess I had a backup...)

	So now now, I tried going through and unselecting, but there
were too many and my wrists gave out.....and of course the GUI has
not KB-accelerators like shift-minus to unselect all, that I could find.

	Any easy way to cherry pick packages to install rather than being
forced fed entire updates all at once?

the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
default packages installed!....



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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:25:50PM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
>Jon TURNEY wrote:
>
>> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>> 
>> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
>> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1
>
>----
>	How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
>line)....
>
>	The GUI has no option to only install 1 package --
>it selects ALL, (100's of my packages want updates, but when I tried I
>tried it last, I ended up with a completely non-function cygwin setup
>(no bash, nada..., thank goddess I had a backup...)
>
>	So now now, I tried going through and unselecting, but there
>were too many and my wrists gave out.....and of course the GUI has
>not KB-accelerators like shift-minus to unselect all, that I could find.
>
>	Any easy way to cherry pick packages to install rather than being
>forced fed entire updates all at once?
>
>the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
>then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
>default packages installed!....

If you ran setup.exe and it deleted bash then there is something very
seriously wrong with either your system or setup.exe.

I know where my money would go if I was betting on which of the above
was more likely.

cgf

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Linda Walsh]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:25:50PM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
>> Jon TURNEY wrote:
>>
>>> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>>>
>>> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
>>> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1
>> ----
>> 	How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
>> line)....
>>
>> 	The GUI has no option to only install 1 package --
>> it selects ALL, (100's of my packages want updates, but when I tried I
>> tried it last, I ended up with a completely non-function cygwin setup
>> (no bash, nada..., thank goddess I had a backup...)
>>
>> 	So now now, I tried going through and unselecting, but there
>> were too many and my wrists gave out.....and of course the GUI has
>> not KB-accelerators like shift-minus to unselect all, that I could find.
>>
>> 	Any easy way to cherry pick packages to install rather than being
>> forced fed entire updates all at once?
>>
>> the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
>> then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
>> default packages installed!....
> 
> If you ran setup.exe and it deleted bash then there is something very
> seriously wrong with either your system or setup.exe.
> 
> I know where my money would go if I was betting on which of the above
> was more likely.

---
	Didn't delete it...
it was all non-functional....bash, everything dumped core or stacktraced
-- symptoms of needing a rebase, but that didn't fix everything. ..

Got bash to run but then still no X, and bash wouldn't run under
'Console' (only under native win cmd-like shell).

	You wanna put money on fault?  Gee, Console worked w/old
bash, installed, new bash, no longer works -- what changed?

	X used to work, update?  Not.  Fault?
	I wasn't pointing finger, BTW, I know my config isn't
standard...BUT...that doesn't mean an update should through everything
into chaos...


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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Jon TURNEY]

On 19/07/2011 18:17, Eliot Moss wrote:
> On 7/19/2011 10:24 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:
>> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>>
>> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
>> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1
> 
> ...
> 
>> * On Windows 7, use new taskbar APIs so X windows are grouped on the taskbar
>> more correctly (Thanks to Tobias Häußler)

My apologies, this should have mentioned multiwindow mode i.e. "X windows are
grouped on the taskbar more correctly in multiwindow mode"

> I have a wondering about whether this accomplishes something I
> have been desiring ... apparently not, but perhaps I have simply
> not set things up right.
> 
> - I start XWin via run.exe invoking a startxwin.bat file. This avoid a
>   needless console window.
> - I have created a Windows shortcut for this, and given it the XWin.exe
>   icon by pointing the shortcut's icon selection to XWin.exe.
> - I get a *separate* instance of the XWin icon when XWin starts up,
>   that is, separate from the run.exe one.
> 
> What I would *like* is for the running instance of XWin.exe to be
> considered as "having the same icon", so that I don't get two instances,
> one for the run.exe shortcut and another for the running XWin.
> 
> Is there another/better way I can arrange this?

The start menu shortcut for starting XWin in multiwindow mode installed by the
xinit package goes to some lengths to avoid lingering unnecessary windows
whilst setting up the correct environment, so if you need a custom command
line to invoke XWin, you should use that as a template.

Obviously, if you are running XWin in windowed mode, you will have one taskbar
item corresponding to the XWin window :-)

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Eliot Moss]

On 7/20/2011 11:28 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:
> On 19/07/2011 18:17, Eliot Moss wrote:
>> On 7/19/2011 10:24 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:

> The start menu shortcut for starting XWin in multiwindow mode installed by the
> xinit package goes to some lengths to avoid lingering unnecessary windows
> whilst setting up the correct environment, so if you need a custom command
> line to invoke XWin, you should use that as a template.
>
> Obviously, if you are running XWin in windowed mode, you will have one taskbar
> item corresponding to the XWin window :-)

I am wondering if you're referring to the startxdcp.bat file or
startxwin.exe (or maybe something else).  My .bat file is patterned
after a standard one, and my shortcut points to run.exe to run it.
I suspect you mean something else :-) ...

Thanks for your patience ... Eliot

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Jon TURNEY]

On 20/07/2011 03:25, Linda Walsh wrote:
> Jon TURNEY wrote:
> 
>> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>>
>> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
>> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1
> 
> ----
>     How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
> line)....

This is not currently possible from the command line, setup will always
upgrade all packages to the current version even when some packages to install
are explicitly specified.

Ideally, setup wouldn't violate the principle of least surprise like that.

>     The GUI has no option to only install 1 package --
> it selects ALL, (100's of my packages want updates, but when I tried I
> tried it last, I ended up with a completely non-function cygwin setup
> (no bash, nada..., thank goddess I had a backup...)
> 
>     So now now, I tried going through and unselecting, but there
> were too many and my wrists gave out.....and of course the GUI has
> not KB-accelerators like shift-minus to unselect all, that I could find.
> 
>     Any easy way to cherry pick packages to install rather than being
> forced fed entire updates all at once?

However, I think there is a way to do it via the GUI without thousands of clicks.

1) Start setup as usual
2) On the "Select packages" page, click on the 'Keep' radio button
3) Locate the packages you wish to update and select the version to update to

> the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
> then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
> default packages installed!....

If you don't want to have to interact with the GUI, you have to use the -q
command line option for unattended mode.


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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[Jon TURNEY]

On 20/07/2011 16:57, Eliot Moss wrote:
> On 7/20/2011 11:28 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:
>> On 19/07/2011 18:17, Eliot Moss wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2011 10:24 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote: 
>> The start menu shortcut for starting XWin in multiwindow mode installed by the
>> xinit package goes to some lengths to avoid lingering unnecessary windows
>> whilst setting up the correct environment, so if you need a custom command
>> line to invoke XWin, you should use that as a template.
>>
>> Obviously, if you are running XWin in windowed mode, you will have one taskbar
>> item corresponding to the XWin window :-)
> 
> I am wondering if you're referring to the startxmdcp.bat file or
> startxwin.exe (or maybe something else).  My .bat file is patterned
> after a standard one, and my shortcut points to run.exe to run it.
> I suspect you mean something else :-) ...

startxwin.bat was honorably retired in xinit 1.2.0-2 [1],[2],[3], so there is
no 'standard one' for you to copy anymore.

If you inspect the start menu shortcut which xinit creates, you will see that
it uses run to invoke bash -l -c to run startxwin.exe, which starts XWin with
-multiwindow and any specified options and the clients in ~/.startxwinrc

I know that sequence works for me to start XWin with no unneeded command
windows.  If it doesn't work for you, then that would be a bug in something.

[1] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2009-12/msg00005.html
[2] http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-whereis-startxwin-bat
[3] http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html#using-starting

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

[cygwin]

Jon TURNEY wrote:

> On 20/07/2011 03:25, Linda Walsh wrote:
>> Jon TURNEY wrote:
>>
>>> The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
>>>
>>> *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
>>> *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1
>> ----
>>     How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
>> line)....
> 
> This is not currently possible from the command line, setup will always
> upgrade all packages to the current version even when some packages to install
> are explicitly specified.
> 
> Ideally, setup wouldn't violate the principle of least surprise like that.

---
	But I thought that's the way some of the Cygwin staff liked it?
(principle of most  surprise! ;-) ).  It is sorta broken, since the docs 
claim to allow you to specify a package name to install on the cmd line.

That it 'includes, automatically, all packages with updates is a real nasty
gotcha...


> However, I think there is a way to do it via the GUI without thousands of clicks.
> 
> 1) Start setup as usual
> 2) On the "Select packages" page, click on the 'Keep' radio button
> 3) Locate the packages you wish to update and select the version to update to

----	
AWESOME!
	Never noticed Keep as a global button there...

	

> 
>> the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
>> then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
>> default packages installed!....
> 
> If you don't want to have to interact with the GUI, you have to use the -q
> command line option for unattended mode.

---
	Well.. I sometimes don't -- especially when wanting to do a single package 
update by name, thing is, would I end up with a similar problem with
all packages being selected by default (or all that have updates)?  or is 
the 'q' mode better about doing what the docs claim? -- i.e. allowing 
installing one package on the cmd line?


Many thanks! for the keep-global alone!!

linda





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