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From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
To: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: docbook-tools-discuss: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87puoqniw7.fsf@nwalsh.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20000706095446.A13085@kstarr.celestial.com>

/ Bill Campbell <bill@celestial.com> was heard to say:
| I would have liked to see some more discussion of some topics like how to
| build indexes (indices?), cross-referencing, etc. -- i.e. the things one

Yes, there definitely needs to be more about indexing. I also need to
get an XSL solution for indexing, but that's a different problem.

| has to consider when writing books, documentation, and that sort of thing.
| The examples on the CD, and the sgml input for the book have been the most
| useful things for me.

That's why they're there.

| Another thing I would really like to see are more tools that convert
| existing input from ?roff, TeX, and similar markup languages into DocBook
| SGML, because this would make it much easier for those of us who are fluent

A little more discussion about how to convert from procedural markup
to structural markup is probably in order, but tools to do this are
very, very hard to write. This is the problem I call "dragging markup
up hill".  Look at the troff source for an (old) O'Reilly book (I have :-),
and you'll find that the same troff markup for "italic" is used for
all the things that are italic in print. (Quelle surprise). But if you
want to mark those things up semantically, you have to distinguish
between at least three or four different kinds of italic things which
is nearly impossible to do accurately.

| References are invaluable, but they're not usually something that is used
| to initially learn a language.  I've always learned best by seeing concrete

Yep, "Learning DocBook" would be a worthy project.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-12-27  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-27  6:36 Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:05   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:22     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Mead
2000-07-04  8:45       ` Chuck Mead
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:27       ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-04 10:25   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 11:21     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` madhu
2000-07-04 22:01     ` madhu
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:32       ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:40         ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Ismael Olea
2000-07-05  9:57           ` Ismael Olea
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-05  9:59             ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-06  9:21     ` Norman Walsh
     [not found]     ` <ndw@nwalsh.com>
2000-12-27  6:36       ` richard offer
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-28 10:44             ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49           ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Dale
2000-12-27  6:36     ` docbook-tools-discuss: " Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh [this message]
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:25         ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 10:37           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Kendall Clark
2000-07-06 10:48             ` Kendall Clark
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:53               ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 13:38                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:22           ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 11:59           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 13:55             ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 14:52               ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-07-06 16:05                 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 16:46                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49                     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 14:42                         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Derek Simkowiak
2000-12-27  6:36               ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 15:23                 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 15:52                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 15:57                   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:32               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Crash-course to DocBook Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Peter Toft
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Mark Johnson
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36       ` I'm trying to set up docbook-tools Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` David C. Mason
2000-07-05  7:41     ` David C. Mason

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