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From: Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>
To: "David C. Mason" <dcm@redhat.com>, esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00070614422402.15291@ehome.inhouse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ybbwvizdlm5.fsf@chelseafc.labs.redhat.com>

On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, David C. Mason wrote:
> Still, my problem is this thread has been about the lack of
> documentation for DocBook - but I still don't understand what the
> problem you are having is. I

The problem is not the lack of documentation. The problem is the lack of
attention to documenting DocBook as an actual document production system, rather
than as a theoretical exercise.  There is plenty of good theoretical
documentation, but a paucity of Get The Job Done tools and documentation.  This,
alas, has always been a problem of the SGML crowd. I've been following SGML off
and on since 1995 or so, when the original LinuxDoc project adopted that
LaTeX-like DTD, and aside from that project and one other that died aborning
(don't remember what it was, it was written using 'bigloo' Scheme and a DTD
that was similar to but simpler than DocBook), there has been absolutely no
attention at all amongst the SGML literati to the problems of producing
practical systems for ordinary users' purposes. And I'm talking as someone who
used to read Robin Cover's web page on a monthly basis looking for links that
would solve some actual problem that I had... it just never happened. 

-- 
Eric Lee Green      There is No Conspiracy
eric@badtux.org     http://www.badtux.org  

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>
To: "David C. Mason" <dcm@redhat.com>, esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:32:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00070614422402.15291@ehome.inhouse> (raw)
Message-ID: <20000706143200.UkOLt0oBQTOI6qhtcixJVaW8Opt7qOPHRigY_RA0BQY@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ybbwvizdlm5.fsf@chelseafc.labs.redhat.com>

On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, David C. Mason wrote:
> Still, my problem is this thread has been about the lack of
> documentation for DocBook - but I still don't understand what the
> problem you are having is. I

The problem is not the lack of documentation. The problem is the lack of
attention to documenting DocBook as an actual document production system, rather
than as a theoretical exercise.  There is plenty of good theoretical
documentation, but a paucity of Get The Job Done tools and documentation.  This,
alas, has always been a problem of the SGML crowd. I've been following SGML off
and on since 1995 or so, when the original LinuxDoc project adopted that
LaTeX-like DTD, and aside from that project and one other that died aborning
(don't remember what it was, it was written using 'bigloo' Scheme and a DTD
that was similar to but simpler than DocBook), there has been absolutely no
attention at all amongst the SGML literati to the problems of producing
practical systems for ordinary users' purposes. And I'm talking as someone who
used to read Robin Cover's web page on a monthly basis looking for links that
would solve some actual problem that I had... it just never happened. 

-- 
Eric Lee Green      There is No Conspiracy
eric@badtux.org     http://www.badtux.org  

  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-12-27  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-27  6:36 Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:05   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:22     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Mead
2000-07-04  8:45       ` Chuck Mead
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:27       ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-04 10:25   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-06  9:21     ` Norman Walsh
     [not found]     ` <ndw@nwalsh.com>
2000-12-27  6:36       ` richard offer
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-28 10:44             ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49           ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Dale
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Crash-course to DocBook Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Mark Johnson
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Peter Toft
2000-12-27  6:36       ` I'm trying to set up docbook-tools David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 11:59           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 13:55             ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric Lee Green [this message]
2000-07-06 14:32               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 14:52               ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 15:23                 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 15:57                   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 15:52                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-07-06 16:05                 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 16:46                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49                     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Derek Simkowiak
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 14:42                         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:22           ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:25         ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 10:37           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Kendall Clark
2000-07-06 10:48             ` Kendall Clark
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:53               ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 13:38                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` docbook-tools-discuss: " Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36   ` David C. Mason
2000-07-05  7:41     ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 11:21     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` madhu
2000-07-04 22:01     ` madhu
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:32       ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:40         ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Ismael Olea
2000-07-05  9:57           ` Ismael Olea
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-05  9:59             ` Mark Galassi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-12-27  6:36 David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-14 23:07   ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Volker Paul
2000-08-16  6:57     ` Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-08-16  7:30       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  4:11         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` b_maddy_016
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  5:55             ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 15:44   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36 Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-07-07  2:27 ` Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green

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