From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Mark Galassi <rosalia@galassi.org>
Cc: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>, Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>,
"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000706134507.D25726@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <76g0pnjhmt.fsf@odie.lanl.gov>
Mark Galassi <rosalia@galassi.org>:
> On this list we should not tell people that "they have failed" just
> because their pedagogical approach did not work for us.
You're quite right. We tell people they have failed when their
pedagogical approach has been reported to be ineffective by
independent multiple observers.
That is, that's what we do if we actually care about improving matters.
If all we want to do is wrap the failure in a thick layer of feel-good
batting so it can be ignored, then perhaps we do something else.
--
<a href=" http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr ">Eric S. Raymond</a>
Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons.
If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.
-- Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992
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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Mark Galassi <rosalia@galassi.org>
Cc: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>, Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>,
"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:37:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000706134507.D25726@thyrsus.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20000706103700._1mkEfDPkaqwq4qD4FeZZokDPckzam5fAsV7o3k8fwE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <76g0pnjhmt.fsf@odie.lanl.gov>
Mark Galassi <rosalia@galassi.org>:
> On this list we should not tell people that "they have failed" just
> because their pedagogical approach did not work for us.
You're quite right. We tell people they have failed when their
pedagogical approach has been reported to be ineffective by
independent multiple observers.
That is, that's what we do if we actually care about improving matters.
If all we want to do is wrap the failure in a thick layer of feel-good
batting so it can be ignored, then perhaps we do something else.
--
<a href=" http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr ">Eric S. Raymond</a>
Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons.
If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.
-- Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992
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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-12-27 6:36 Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04 8:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 8:05 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04 8:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 7:49 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 8:27 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04 8:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Chuck Mead
2000-07-04 8:45 ` Chuck Mead
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-04 10:25 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 11:21 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 7:49 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` madhu
2000-07-04 22:01 ` madhu
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05 7:32 ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05 7:40 ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Ismael Olea
2000-07-05 9:57 ` Ismael Olea
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-05 9:59 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-06 9:21 ` Norman Walsh
[not found] ` <ndw@nwalsh.com>
2000-12-27 6:36 ` richard offer
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 7:49 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-28 10:44 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Chuck Dale
2000-12-27 6:36 ` docbook-tools-discuss: " Bill Campbell
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Bill Campbell
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 7:49 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Crash-course to DocBook Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Johnson
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Peter Toft
2000-12-27 6:36 ` I'm trying to set up docbook-tools David C. Mason
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 11:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 13:55 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:32 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 14:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-07-06 16:05 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 16:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 7:49 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Derek Simkowiak
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 14:42 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 15:23 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 15:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 15:57 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:22 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:25 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2000-07-06 10:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Kendall Clark
2000-07-06 10:48 ` Kendall Clark
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:53 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 13:38 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` David C. Mason
2000-07-05 7:41 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27 6:36 David C. Mason
2000-12-27 6:36 Peter Ring
2000-07-07 2:27 ` Peter Ring
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27 6:36 Volker Paul
2000-12-27 6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 15:44 ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27 6:36 Peter Ring
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-14 23:07 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Volker Paul
2000-08-16 6:57 ` Volker Paul
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Norman Walsh
2000-08-16 7:30 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18 4:11 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 ` b_maddy_016
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18 5:55 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27 6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27 6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
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