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From: "David C. Mason" <dcm@redhat.com>
To: docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:41:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ybbhfa4zlil.fsf@chelseafc.labs.redhat.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20000705074100.g1BnpdUPI-DjZbuZwxcSs_46XZaq9naCQupqUjzyHeU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00070410352500.07357@ehome.inhouse>

> > I'm trying to set up docbook-tools, and finding it a hideously
> > frustrating experience.  Why does all the SGML software and
> > documentation in the world read as though it was carefully designed 
> > to prevent any actual document production from getting done?

This is one of those cases where certain documentation projects have
taken up the call more so than the tools side. For example, both the
GNOME and KDE doc groups have manuals to help people get involved with
writing documentation for their projects. Both tell the writer where
to get everything they need for Docbook and how to use it - but both
also describe it in terms that are particular to their style of
writing.

I like this approach as it narrows the focus to projects and those who
wish to write for those projects. Outside of that the best resources I
have seen are Mark's tutorial and Deb Richardson's HOWTO at OSWG. The
main problem with it is that describing SGML is not as trivial as you
might think. Describing DocBook is easier, but it still comes as very
foreign to those who come from either the word processor world, or the
format driven mark-up world. The best way to learn is by trying, not
by reading IMHO. Can the documentation be better? Sure it can, and we
shall try.

Still, I find it somewhat humorous at the trouble many hackers (who
would never dream of documenting their code) have when they can read
the source :-)


Cheers,

Dave

-- 

          David Mason
        Red Hat AD Labs

        dcm@redhat.com
  http://people.redhat.com/dcm

  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-07-05  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-27  6:36 Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-04 10:25   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-06  9:21     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Dale
     [not found]     ` <ndw@nwalsh.com>
2000-12-27  6:36       ` richard offer
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-28 10:44             ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49           ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:25         ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 10:37           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Kendall Clark
2000-07-06 10:48             ` Kendall Clark
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:53               ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 13:38                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:22           ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 11:59           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 13:55             ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 14:52               ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 15:23                 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 15:52                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 15:57                   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-07-06 16:05                 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 16:46                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49                     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 14:42                         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Derek Simkowiak
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:32               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Crash-course to DocBook Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Peter Toft
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Mark Johnson
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36       ` I'm trying to set up docbook-tools Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` docbook-tools-discuss: " Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36   ` David C. Mason [this message]
2000-07-05  7:41     ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 11:21     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` madhu
2000-07-04 22:01     ` madhu
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:32       ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:40         ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Ismael Olea
2000-07-05  9:57           ` Ismael Olea
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-05  9:59             ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:05   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:22     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:27       ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Mead
2000-07-04  8:45       ` Chuck Mead
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36 David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36 Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-07-07  2:27 ` Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 15:44   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-14 23:07   ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Volker Paul
2000-08-16  6:57     ` Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-08-16  7:30       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  4:11         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` b_maddy_016
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  5:55             ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green

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