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From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
To: Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
	docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools...
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <873dlnjklb.fsf@nwalsh.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20000706092100.7OsaCjM2QKYibFhHw2jb3Wa40lutnxFpduE50b8FhpI@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00070410352500.07357@ehome.inhouse>

/ Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org> was heard to say:
| That puzzles me too. Even Norm Walsh's so-called "Docbook" book
| reads as if it were a briefly written summary written in a foreign
| language to be as terse as possible.

<sigh/> I'm sorry you found it to be that way. That wasn't the intent.
Although the bulk of the book is intended as a reference and not a
how-to, the introductory chapters were supposed to be readable by the
novice. Can you explain, in any more detail, what you found most
troubling?

| It's bad enough that the authors of every book and document that exists on SGML
| have invented their own inscrutable terminology for the process of marking up
| documentation... but none of them, zero, zilch, appears to have considered the
| notion of a GLOSSARY, and the very thought of explaining complex terms in a
| simple, clear manner appears to break every single SGML author out in hives. 
| Yes, it's difficult. I've done it before, I know how difficult it is. But it's
| as if the creators of SGML DTD's and tools have a death wish... or else they're
| trying to protect their cult's purity by keeping out the riff-raff (same
| thing). 

It is an unfortunate fact that Goldfarb created a set of concise,
technical terms for describing the various components of SGML
markup. On the one hand, using these terms precisely tends to be
awkward for novices. On the other, using other terms causes confusion
among other audiences.

I really tried to be clear in this regard. <sigh/>

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

-- 
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Everything is temporary.
http://nwalsh.com/            | 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-07-06  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-27  6:36 Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:05   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:22     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Mead
2000-07-04  8:45       ` Chuck Mead
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04  8:27       ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-04  8:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-04 10:25   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 11:21     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` madhu
2000-07-04 22:01     ` madhu
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:32       ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Sam Roberts
2000-07-05  7:40         ` Sam Roberts
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Ismael Olea
2000-07-05  9:57           ` Ismael Olea
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-05  9:59             ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Norman Walsh [this message]
2000-07-06  9:21     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Crash-course to DocBook Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Peter Toft
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Mark Johnson
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36       ` I'm trying to set up docbook-tools David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:22           ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 11:59           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 13:55             ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 14:52               ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` David C. Mason
2000-07-06 15:23                 ` David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 15:57                   ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 15:52                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-07-06 16:05                 ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 16:46                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                   ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49                     ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36                       ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07 14:42                         ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36                     ` Derek Simkowiak
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 14:32               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:25         ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-07-06 10:37           ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Kendall Clark
2000-07-06 10:48             ` Kendall Clark
2000-12-27  6:36             ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-06 10:53               ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36               ` Eric Lee Green
2000-07-06 13:38                 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36                 ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36     ` docbook-tools-discuss: " Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Edward C. Bailey
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Bill Campbell
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Chuck Dale
     [not found]     ` <ndw@nwalsh.com>
2000-12-27  6:36       ` richard offer
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-07  7:49           ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Norman Walsh
2000-07-28 10:44             ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36   ` David C. Mason
2000-07-05  7:41     ` David C. Mason
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-12-27  6:36 David C. Mason
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Mark Galassi
2000-07-04 15:44   ` Mark Galassi
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-07-07  2:27 ` Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36 Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36 Gregory Leblanc
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Lee Green
2000-12-27  6:36 Peter Ring
2000-12-27  6:36 ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-14 23:07   ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36   ` Volker Paul
2000-08-16  6:57     ` Volker Paul
2000-12-27  6:36     ` Norman Walsh
2000-08-16  7:30       ` Norman Walsh
2000-12-27  6:36       ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  4:11         ` Eric Bischoff
2000-12-27  6:36         ` b_maddy_016
2000-12-27  6:36           ` Eric Bischoff
2000-08-18  5:55             ` Eric Bischoff

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