* Cygwin lists spam filters @ 2014-09-02 9:17 Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-02 14:50 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-02 9:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 669 bytes --] Hi overseers, There's a spam filter for the Cygwin mailing lists which filters out all (or better: most) mails which have raw email addresses in their body. This filter doesn't seem to be activated on other mailing lists on sourceware, at least I see raw email addresses from some of the regulars on the GDB list happile float by. Can we please disable this filter for the Cygwin lists as well? It hits people with their email address in the signature, which, maybe, isn't a good idea, but also doesn't deserve a bounce mail with a "552 spam score exceeded threshold" message. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Cygwin Maintainer Red Hat [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-02 9:17 Cygwin lists spam filters Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-02 14:50 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-09-02 15:35 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-09-02 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Corinna Vinschen, overseers As previously explained, the block was for email addresses which might be mailing list addresses. For instance, this was not blocked: https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-08/msg00598.html Nevertheless, I've removed this and all other cygwin-specific spam/mailing-list related filters. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-02 14:50 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-09-02 15:35 ` Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-02 17:42 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-02 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 783 bytes --] On Sep 2 10:49, Christopher Faylor wrote: > As previously explained, the block was for email addresses which might > be mailing list addresses. For instance, this was not blocked: > > https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-08/msg00598.html I have two guys of which I got copies of their emails in private mail which were bounced with the "spam threshold exceeded" message. Content-wise, they were entirely unsuspicious, apart from their own raw email address in the signature. Would it help if I forward their mails to find out why they were refused? Maybe there's something else going on? > Nevertheless, I've removed this and all other cygwin-specific > spam/mailing-list related filters. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Cygwin Maintainer Red Hat [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-02 15:35 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-02 17:42 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-09-03 11:49 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-09-02 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:34:57PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Sep 2 10:49, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> As previously explained, the block was for email addresses which might >> be mailing list addresses. For instance, this was not blocked: >> >> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-08/msg00598.html > >I have two guys of which I got copies of their emails in private mail >which were bounced with the "spam threshold exceeded" message. >Content-wise, they were entirely unsuspicious, apart from their own >raw email address in the signature. <Insert cliche about assume here> >Would it help if I forward their mails to find out why they were >refused? Maybe there's something else going on? Wow, you apparently weren't paying attention to the 1342 times I responded to email whiners in the cygwin list. Have them follow the directions in the bounce rather than contacting you directly. There is nothing new here. I suspect that one of the people already contacted postmaster and isn't reading his inbox. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-02 17:42 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-09-03 11:49 ` Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-03 12:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-03 11:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1658 bytes --] On Sep 2 13:42, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:34:57PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >On Sep 2 10:49, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >> As previously explained, the block was for email addresses which might > >> be mailing list addresses. For instance, this was not blocked: > >> > >> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-08/msg00598.html > > > >I have two guys of which I got copies of their emails in private mail > >which were bounced with the "spam threshold exceeded" message. > >Content-wise, they were entirely unsuspicious, apart from their own > >raw email address in the signature. > > <Insert cliche about assume here> > > >Would it help if I forward their mails to find out why they were > >refused? Maybe there's something else going on? > > Wow, you apparently weren't paying attention to the 1342 times I > responded to email whiners in the cygwin list. Have them follow the > directions in the bounce rather than contacting you directly. There is > nothing new here. > > I suspect that one of the people already contacted postmaster and isn't > reading his inbox. Can you please stop being hostile? Thank you. There are no directions in the bounce. I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml What was the problem with this mail, if it wasn't the raw email address in the sig? Btw., Yesterday I sent this mail with the message text inlined, then an hour later with the message text attached. Both of my mails to overseers simply disappeared, without even a bounce. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Cygwin Maintainer Red Hat [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-03 11:49 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-03 12:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2014-09-03 13:08 ` Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-03 12:11 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2014-09-03 12:36 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Hi - > There are no directions in the bounce. Right, in this case the message was rejected upon receipt by sourceware, so the bounce message was generated from his MTA, not sourceware. > I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml > > What was the problem with this mail, if it wasn't the raw email address > in the sig? /var/log/maillog says: Aug 30 17:14:51 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: checking message <102829035.20140830211503@mail.ru> for qpsmtpd:89 Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: identified spam (11.3/5.0) for qpsmtpd:89 in 2.4 seconds, 2121 bytes. Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: result: Y 11 - AWL,BAYES_60,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPAM_BODY,SPF_PASS,UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY scantime=2.4,size=2121,user=qpsmtpd,uid=89,required_score=5.0,rhost=localhost,raddr=127.0.0.1,rport=/var/run/spamd,mid=<102829035.20140830211503@mail.ru>,bayes=0.659891,autolearn=spam % spamassassin -t < $MESSAGE_FILE gives more info (but the bayes state has changed since Aug. 30): Content analysis details: (32.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.0 UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY BODY: UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY 6.5 GARBLED_SUBJECT GARBLED_SUBJECT 1.5 GARBLED_FROM GARBLED_FROM -0.0 NO_RELAYS Informational: message was not relayed via SMTP 6.5 GARBLED_BODY BODY: GARBLED_BODY 10 SPAM_BODY BODY: SPAM_BODY 2.0 BAYES_80 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 80 to 95% [score: 0.9277] 1.5 BODY_8BITS BODY: Body includes 8 consecutive 8-bit characters 2.0 DSN_NO_MIMEVERSION Return-Path <> and no MIME-Version: header > Btw., Yesterday I sent this mail with the message text inlined, then > an hour later with the message text attached. Both of my mails to > overseers simply disappeared, without even a bounce. If you have the message-id, I could investigate. (Which "this"?) - FChE ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-03 12:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 13:08 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2014-09-03 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3308 bytes --] Hi Frank, On Sep 3 08:05, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Hi - > > > There are no directions in the bounce. > > Right, in this case the message was rejected upon receipt by sourceware, > so the bounce message was generated from his MTA, not sourceware. > > > I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml > > > > What was the problem with this mail, if it wasn't the raw email address > > in the sig? > > /var/log/maillog says: > > Aug 30 17:14:51 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: checking message <102829035.20140830211503@mail.ru> for qpsmtpd:89 > Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: identified spam (11.3/5.0) for qpsmtpd:89 in 2.4 seconds, 2121 bytes. > Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: result: Y 11 - AWL,BAYES_60,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPAM_BODY,SPF_PASS,UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY scantime=2.4,size=2121,user=qpsmtpd,uid=89,required_score=5.0,rhost=localhost,raddr=127.0.0.1,rport=/var/run/spamd,mid=<102829035.20140830211503@mail.ru>,bayes=0.659891,autolearn=spam > > % spamassassin -t < $MESSAGE_FILE Erm... was that the entire message file, including the bounce message from his mail server? If so, you should probably rerun this with only the original message part, which is part of the file I uploaded to ~/corinna/Message01.eml. > gives more info (but the bayes state has changed since Aug. 30): > > Content analysis details: (32.0 points, 5.0 required) > > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- > 2.0 UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY BODY: UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY Adding the unsubscribe footer was invented for the cygwin-announce mailing list many many years ago. We actually asked our maintainers to add it. And here spamassassin turns that against them :} > 6.5 GARBLED_SUBJECT GARBLED_SUBJECT > 1.5 GARBLED_FROM GARBLED_FROM > -0.0 NO_RELAYS Informational: message was not relayed via SMTP This ^^^^^^^^^ is only in the bounce message, not in the copy of the original message. > 6.5 GARBLED_BODY BODY: GARBLED_BODY > 10 SPAM_BODY BODY: SPAM_BODY > 2.0 BAYES_80 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 80 to 95% > [score: 0.9277] > 1.5 BODY_8BITS BODY: Body includes 8 consecutive 8-bit characters This is a weird rule. So if somebody uses UTF-8 and, say, cyrillic characters in the SIG, it gets 2 extra score points. Wow. This is kind of unfriendly to non-latin language users... > 2.0 DSN_NO_MIMEVERSION Return-Path <> and no MIME-Version: header > > > > Btw., Yesterday I sent this mail with the message text inlined, then > > an hour later with the message text attached. Both of my mails to > > overseers simply disappeared, without even a bounce. > > If you have the message-id, I could investigate. (Which "this"?) This in the sense of, I tried to send this here message you've just replied to, first with inline, then with attached bounce message to overseers. The message ids are 20140902185845.GA16455@calimero.vinschen.de 20140902201727.GH6056@calimero.vinschen.de Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Cygwin Maintainer Red Hat [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-03 11:49 ` Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-03 12:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 12:11 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2014-09-03 12:36 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Hi - > [...] > I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml I am looking into it a little deeper; it looks as though the bayes database is inclined to recognize even the embedded english announcement email as spam for some reason. - FChE ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-03 11:49 ` Corinna Vinschen 2014-09-03 12:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2014-09-03 12:11 ` Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 12:36 ` Frank Ch. Eigler 2014-09-03 14:33 ` Christopher Faylor 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Hi - > [...] > I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml > [...] In this case, it appears that the sa-update automatically-downloaded spam fingerprint regexps are misfiring, something about the presence of the word "replacement" in the body. Chris, can we make do without sa-update etc.? - FChE ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Cygwin lists spam filters 2014-09-03 12:36 ` Frank Ch. Eigler @ 2014-09-03 14:33 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-09-03 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:35:58AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >> [...] >> I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message01.eml >> [...] > >In this case, it appears that the sa-update automatically-downloaded >spam fingerprint regexps are misfiring, something about the presence >of the word "replacement" in the body. Chris, can we make do without >sa-update etc.? No. FYI, GARBLED_SUBJECT, GARBLED_FROM, and SPAM_BODY are three of a vast array of custom rules. This isn't an issue with sa-update misfiring. At the risk of sounding hostile, I want to again stress, as I used to repeatedly in the cygwin list, that if there are email problems they should go to postmaster not overseers and they should include, if possible, at a minimum a (possibly encoded) copy of the email. Cygwin mailing lists are not different than any other mailing list sponsored by this site. There is no need to engage the overseers community when there is a problem. I deal with email issues several times a week. It's important to deal with them as close to when they occur as possible. Sending second-hand email here rather than to sourceware asking for changes to be made in what might be the problem adds delay to the process. I haven't stopped being a sysadmin on sourceware so I continue to deal with mailing list issues regardless of whether they relate to the Red Hat Cygwin project or the free foftware gcc project. So, I'll look into correcting the issues found in these email messages like I always do. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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