* Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? @ 2020-05-06 15:44 Joel Sherrill 2020-05-06 19:29 ` Jeff Law 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Joel Sherrill @ 2020-05-06 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Hi May 4th was the 25th birthday of the oldest commit in the RTEMS repository. Before that, there was a private repo for the research project that produced it. We started the public repository from the last snapshot. In those dark years of the early Internet, ftp.sourceware.org had RTEMS on it. Cygnus even included a version on a floppy they sent out. I scanned the letter, envelope, and put the floppy contents online ( https://ftp.rtems.org/pub/rtems/people/joel/CygnusFloppyAugust1995/). I had to buy a USB floppy drive to read the floppy. Enjoy that flashback. :) As we approach the 30th anniversary of the first public paper on RTEMS, I'd love to find some really old versions. The version on that floppy is the oldest one we have. Is there any chance, there are easily accessible old, old, dusty versions of ftp.sourceware.org from before 1995? Thanks. --joel RTEMS ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-06 15:44 Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? Joel Sherrill @ 2020-05-06 19:29 ` Jeff Law 2020-05-07 14:01 ` Joel Sherrill 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jeff Law @ 2020-05-06 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: joel, Overseers mailing list On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 10:44 -0500, Joel Sherrill via Overseers wrote: > Hi > > May 4th was the 25th birthday of the oldest commit in the RTEMS repository. > Before that, there was a private repo for the research project that > produced it. We started the public repository from the last snapshot. > > In those dark years of the early Internet, ftp.sourceware.org? had RTEMS on > it. Cygnus even included a version on a floppy they sent out. I scanned the > letter, envelope, and put the floppy contents online ( > https://ftp.rtems.org/pub/rtems/people/joel/CygnusFloppyAugust1995/). I had > to buy a USB floppy drive to read the floppy. Enjoy that flashback. :) > > As we approach the 30th anniversary of the first public paper on RTEMS, I'd > love to find some really old versions. The version on that floppy is the > oldest one we have. > > Is there any chance, there are easily accessible old, old, dusty versions > of ftp.sourceware.org? from before 1995? I don't think sourceware was born until 1997/1998 ;-) Over time we've tried to populate it with old releases as they're found. Jeff ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-06 19:29 ` Jeff Law @ 2020-05-07 14:01 ` Joel Sherrill 2020-05-07 14:18 ` Jeff Law 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Joel Sherrill @ 2020-05-07 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jeffrey Law; +Cc: Overseers mailing list On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jeff Law <law@redhat.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 10:44 -0500, Joel Sherrill via Overseers wrote: > > Hi > > > > May 4th was the 25th birthday of the oldest commit in the RTEMS > repository. > > Before that, there was a private repo for the research project that > > produced it. We started the public repository from the last snapshot. > > > > In those dark years of the early Internet, ftp.sourceware.org? had > RTEMS on > > it. Cygnus even included a version on a floppy they sent out. I scanned > the > > letter, envelope, and put the floppy contents online ( > > https://ftp.rtems.org/pub/rtems/people/joel/CygnusFloppyAugust1995/). I > had > > to buy a USB floppy drive to read the floppy. Enjoy that flashback. :) > > > > As we approach the 30th anniversary of the first public paper on RTEMS, > I'd > > love to find some really old versions. The version on that floppy is the > > oldest one we have. > > > > Is there any chance, there are easily accessible old, old, dusty versions > > of ftp.sourceware.org? from before 1995? > I don't think sourceware was born until 1997/1998 ;-) > > Over time we've tried to populate it with old releases as they're found. > Wow! How was newlib distributed back in the dark pre-sourceware age? I know we used it before 97/98 and got it via ftp. I went to https://sourceware.org/newlib/ and the link to the ftp site is broken. I think that should be https://www.sourceware.org/ftp/newlib/ but the links for all the downloads are ftp also and don't work. But it was enough to see that newlib 1.6 is from 1994 which is back when Rob Savoye maintained it. I kept his business card from back then because I thought Hacker was a cool job title. :) --joel > > Jeff > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-07 14:01 ` Joel Sherrill @ 2020-05-07 14:18 ` Jeff Law 2020-05-07 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor 2020-05-07 17:10 ` Angela Marie Thomas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Jeff Law @ 2020-05-07 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: joel; +Cc: Overseers mailing list On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:01 -0500, Joel Sherrill wrote: > > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jeff Law <law@redhat.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 10:44 -0500, Joel Sherrill via Overseers wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > May 4th was the 25th birthday of the oldest commit in the RTEMS repository. > > > Before that, there was a private repo for the research project that > > > produced it. We started the public repository from the last snapshot. > > > > > > In those dark years of the early Internet, ftp.sourceware.org? had RTEMS on > > > it. Cygnus even included a version on a floppy they sent out. I scanned the > > > letter, envelope, and put the floppy contents online ( > > > https://ftp.rtems.org/pub/rtems/people/joel/CygnusFloppyAugust1995/). I had > > > to buy a USB floppy drive to read the floppy. Enjoy that flashback. :) > > > > > > As we approach the 30th anniversary of the first public paper on RTEMS, I'd > > > love to find some really old versions. The version on that floppy is the > > > oldest one we have. > > > > > > Is there any chance, there are easily accessible old, old, dusty versions > > > of ftp.sourceware.org? from before 1995? > > I don't think sourceware was born until 1997/1998 ;-) > > > > Over time we've tried to populate it with old releases as they're found. > > Wow! How was newlib distributed back in the dark pre-sourceware age? > I know we used it before 97/98 and got it via ftp. I don't remember. I would expect official releases from the newlib project would have been via ftp *somewhere*, but I don't know where. It was a long time ago. There were certainly also releases to Cygnus customers that would have included newlib. > I went to https://sourceware.org/newlib/ and the link to the ftp site is > broken. I think that should be https://www.sourceware.org/ftp/newlib/ but > the links for all the downloads are ftp also and don't work. Ugh :( > > But it was enough to see that newlib 1.6 is from 1994 which is back > when Rob Savoye maintained it. I kept his business card from back > then because I thought Hacker was a cool job title. :) I believe policy was you can put whatever title you want on your cards. We had some that were, umm, "interesting". jeff ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-07 14:18 ` Jeff Law @ 2020-05-07 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor 2020-05-07 16:25 ` Joel Sherrill 2020-05-07 17:10 ` Angela Marie Thomas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2020-05-07 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jeff Law via Overseers; +Cc: joel, law Jeff Law via Overseers <overseers@sourceware.org> writes: > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:01 -0500, Joel Sherrill wrote: >> >> Wow! How was newlib distributed back in the dark pre-sourceware age? >> I know we used it before 97/98 and got it via ftp. > I don't remember. I would expect official releases from the newlib project > would have been via ftp *somewhere*, but I don't know where. It was a long time > ago. It was just ftp.cygnus.com, along with the binutils, etc. I verified that from, well, an old copy of the RTEMS documentation. https://docs.rtems.org/releases/rtemsdocs-4.6.0/share/rtems/html/relnotes/relnotes00007.html Ian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-07 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor @ 2020-05-07 16:25 ` Joel Sherrill 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Joel Sherrill @ 2020-05-07 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joel Sherrill, Jeffrey Law, Overseers mailing list On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com> wrote: > Jeff Law via Overseers <overseers@sourceware.org> writes: > > > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:01 -0500, Joel Sherrill wrote: > >> > >> Wow! How was newlib distributed back in the dark pre-sourceware age? > >> I know we used it before 97/98 and got it via ftp. > > I don't remember. I would expect official releases from the newlib > project > > would have been via ftp *somewhere*, but I don't know where. It was a > long time > > ago. > > It was just ftp.cygnus.com, along with the binutils, etc. > I checked archive.org and cygnus.com was gone as we know it before archive.org got a snapshot. The oldest required Flash to even see what it was. :( > > I verified that from, well, an old copy of the RTEMS documentation. > > > https://docs.rtems.org/releases/rtemsdocs-4.6.0/share/rtems/html/relnotes/relnotes00007.html LOL.. I'm a bit embarrassed you found it in old RTEMS documentation. I guess those old versions are gone forever. It was worth a try. Thanks. --joel > > Ian > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Ancient Archives of ftp.sourceware.org? 2020-05-07 14:18 ` Jeff Law 2020-05-07 16:17 ` Ian Lance Taylor @ 2020-05-07 17:10 ` Angela Marie Thomas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Angela Marie Thomas @ 2020-05-07 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: law, Overseers mailing list; +Cc: joel > On May 07, 2020, at 07:18, Jeff Law via Overseers <overseers@sourceware.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:01 -0500, Joel Sherrill wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jeff Law <law@redhat.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 10:44 -0500, Joel Sherrill via Overseers wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> May 4th was the 25th birthday of the oldest commit in the RTEMS repository. >>>> Before that, there was a private repo for the research project that >>>> produced it. We started the public repository from the last snapshot. >>>> >>>> In those dark years of the early Internet, ftp.sourceware.org? had RTEMS on >>>> it. Cygnus even included a version on a floppy they sent out. I scanned the >>>> letter, envelope, and put the floppy contents online ( >>>> https://ftp.rtems.org/pub/rtems/people/joel/CygnusFloppyAugust1995/). I had >>>> to buy a USB floppy drive to read the floppy. Enjoy that flashback. :) >>>> >>>> As we approach the 30th anniversary of the first public paper on RTEMS, I'd >>>> love to find some really old versions. The version on that floppy is the >>>> oldest one we have. >>>> >>>> Is there any chance, there are easily accessible old, old, dusty versions >>>> of ftp.sourceware.org? from before 1995? >>> I don't think sourceware was born until 1997/1998 ;-) >>> >>> Over time we've tried to populate it with old releases as they're found. >> >> Wow! How was newlib distributed back in the dark pre-sourceware age? >> I know we used it before 97/98 and got it via ftp. > I don't remember. I would expect official releases from the newlib project > would have been via ftp *somewhere*, but I don't know where. It was a long time > ago. Back then newlib was on ftp.cygnus.com. That's also almost certainly where any older RTEMS releases would have been if we had any. I looked and I don't have a copy of ftp.cygnus.com anywhere. >> >> But it was enough to see that newlib 1.6 is from 1994 which is back >> when Rob Savoye maintained it. I kept his business card from back >> then because I thought Hacker was a cool job title. :) > I believe policy was you can put whatever title you want on your cards. We had > some that were, umm, "interesting". Mark Eichin had the best title, "International Arms Dealer". Even though Julie said I had to destroy all of mine, I still have a box of "Release Dominatrix" ones somewhere. --Angela ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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