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From: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
To: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
Cc: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Koning <paulkoning@comcast.net>,
	Vladimir Makarov <vmakarov@redhat.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Indirect memory addresses vs. lra
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2019 16:07:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <197ca5dd-b137-b922-0a28-b31fdd501315@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190809081439.baoyu3ii5i2qfbzt@jocasta.intra>

On 8/9/19 2:14 AM, John Darrington wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 01:57:41PM -0600, Jeff Law wrote:
> 
>      Yea, it's certainly designed with the more mainstream architectures in
>      mind.  THe double-indirect case that's being talked about here is well
>      out of the mainstream and not a feature of anything LRA has targetted to
>      date.  So I'm not surprised it's not working.
>      
>      My suggestion would be to ignore the double-indirect aspect of the
>      architecture right now, get the port working, then come back and try to
>      make double-indirect addressing modes work.
>      
> This sounds like sensible advice.  However I wonder if this issue is
> related to the other major outstanding problem I have, viz: the large 
> number of test failures which report "Unable to find a register to
> spill" - So far, nobody has been able to explain how to solve that
> issue and even the people who appear to be more knowlegeable have
> expressed suprise that it is even happening at all.
You're going to have to debug what LRA is doing and why.  There's really
no short-cuts here.  We can't really do it for you.  Even if you weren't
using LRA you'd be doing the same process, just on even more difficult
to understand codebase.

> 
> Even if it should turn out not to be related, the message I've been
> receiving in this thread is lra should not be expected to work for
> non "mainstream" backends.  So perhaps there is another, yet to be
> discovered, restriction which prevents my backend from ever working?
It's possible.  But that's not really any different than reload.
There's certainly various aspects of architectures that reload can't
handle as well -- even on architectures that were mainstream processors
when reload was under active development and maintenance.  THere's even
a good chance reload won't handle double-indirect addressing modes well
-- they were far from mainstream and as a result the code which does
purport to handle double-indirect addressing modes hasn't been
used/tested all that much over the last 25+ years.

> 
> On the other hand, given my lack of experience with gcc,  it could be
> that lra is working perfectly, and I have simply done something
> incorrectly.    But the uncertainty voiced in this thread means that it
> is hard to be sure that I'm not trying to do something which is
> currently unsupported.
My recommendation is to continue with the LRA path.

jeff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-08-09 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-04 19:18 John Darrington
2019-08-08 16:25 ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-08 16:44   ` Paul Koning
2019-08-08 17:21     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-08 17:25       ` Paul Koning
2019-08-08 19:09         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-08 17:30       ` Paul Koning
2019-08-08 19:19         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-08 19:57           ` Jeff Law
2019-08-09  8:14             ` John Darrington
2019-08-09 14:17               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-09 14:23                 ` Paul Koning
2019-08-10  6:10                 ` John Darrington
2019-08-10 16:15                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-09 16:07               ` Jeff Law [this message]
2019-08-09 17:34               ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-10  6:06                 ` John Darrington
2019-08-10 16:12                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-12  6:47                     ` John Darrington
2019-08-12  8:40                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-12 13:35                   ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-15 16:29                   ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-15 16:38                     ` Richard Biener
2019-08-15 17:41                       ` John Darrington
2019-08-15 18:30                       ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-15 21:22                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-15 17:36                     ` John Darrington
2019-08-15 18:23                       ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-16 11:24                         ` Special Memory Constraint [was Re: Indirect memory addresses vs. lra] John Darrington
2019-08-16 14:50                           ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-19  7:36                             ` John Darrington
2019-08-19 13:14                               ` Vladimir Makarov
2019-08-19 15:07                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-08-19 18:06                                   ` John Darrington
2019-08-20  6:56                                     ` Richard Biener
2019-08-20  7:07                                       ` John Darrington
2019-08-20  7:30                                         ` Richard Biener
2019-08-08 18:46     ` Indirect memory addresses vs. lra Vladimir Makarov

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