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From: "Ulrich Weigand" <uweigand@de.ibm.com>
To: mutazilah@gmail.com (Paul Edwards)
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: i370 port
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906051520.n55FKg7T016481@d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FA0C35CA6BD04D61ABD414C1EF7F3926@Paullaptop> from "Paul Edwards" at Jun 05, 2009 10:44:19 PM

Paul Edwards wrote:

> In addition, that code has been ported to GCC 3.4.6, which is now
> working as a cross-compiler at least.  It's still some months away
> from working natively though.  It takes a lot of effort to convert
> the Posix-expecting GCC compiler into C90 compliance.  This has
> been done though, in a way that has minimal code changes to the
> GCC mainline.

You're referring to building GCC for a non-Posix *host*, right?
I assume those changes are not (primarily) in the back-end, but
throughout GCC common code?

> Yes, I'm aware that there is an S/390 port, but it isn't EBCDIC, isn't
> HLASM, isn't 370, isn't C90, isn't MVS.  It may well be possible to
> change all those things, and I suspect that in a few years from now
> I may be sending another message asking what I need to do to get 
> all my changes to the s390 target into the s390 target.  At that time,
> I suspect there will be a lot of objection to "polluting" the s390 target
> with all those "unnecessary" things.

Actually, I would really like to see the s390 target optionally support
the MVS ABI and HLASM assembler format, so I wouldn't have any objection
to patches that add these features ...

I understand current GCC supports various source and target character
sets a lot better out of the box, so it may be EBCDIC isn't even an
issue any more.   If there are other problems related to MVS host
support, I suppose those would need to be fixed in common code anyway,
no matter whether the s390 or i370 back-ends are used.

The only point in your list I'm sceptical about is 370 architecture
support -- I don't quite see why this is still useful today (the s390
port does require at a minimum a S/390 G2 with the branch relative
instructions ... but those have been around for nearly 15 years).

Bye,
Ulrich

-- 
  Dr. Ulrich Weigand
  GNU Toolchain for Linux on System z and Cell BE
  Ulrich.Weigand@de.ibm.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-05 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-05 12:45 Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 14:33 ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 14:57   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:03     ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 15:24       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:47         ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-09-11 17:35       ` i370 port - in search of hooks Paul Edwards
2017-03-31 10:34       ` i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-09-12 12:41   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:21 ` Ulrich Weigand [this message]
2009-06-05 15:39   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:49     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2009-06-05 15:57       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 20:20         ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 20:45           ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-06 15:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-15 17:46         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-06-19  0:06           ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-19 12:28             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-07-18 11:28               ` Paul Edwards
2009-07-20 14:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-08 12:04                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-10 21:25                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-11  0:34                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-11 15:21                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-12 11:52                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-12 15:27                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-12 16:35                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-12 17:27                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-12 17:56                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-12 19:46                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-12 20:31                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-19 12:07                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-19 12:27                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-20 12:49                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-20 22:48                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-21  2:37                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-21 16:46                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-06-05 15:44   ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 15:52     ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-08 15:55     ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:32       ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02  8:15   ` s390 port Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 14:34     ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 14:50       ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 14:53         ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 15:01           ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 15:13             ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 15:26               ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 19:46                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 20:05                   ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 20:16                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-09-03 11:18                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-03 11:35                       ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-03 12:12                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-03 12:38                           ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-03 12:53                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2021-09-03 13:12                               ` Paul Edwards
2022-12-20  4:27                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-23  8:50 i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-08-26 22:13 ` Henrik Sorensen
2009-09-09 22:33 Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:42 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-15 12:59   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-15 13:51     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-17 13:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-17 17:55         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18  0:35           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 12:06             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 12:23               ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 13:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 13:42                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 16:08                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-19 12:57                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 10:19                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 15:20                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-04  5:21                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-04 16:47                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-09 14:55                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-09 15:57                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-09 23:10                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 14:58                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-10 15:51                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:56                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-12-02 22:03                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-13  8:34                           ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 14:32                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-15 15:26                               ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 17:23                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-16 11:20                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-16 13:26                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 12:15                                       ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-18 13:14                                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 14:18                                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-22 12:31 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20  7:44 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20 10:09 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20 12:15 Paul Edwards
2011-08-22 12:23 ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-05 13:32   ` Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 18:13     ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-06  5:51 Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 12:49 Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 18:16 ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-07  4:12   ` Paul Edwards
2012-04-07  5:45 Paul Edwards
2012-04-08 17:43 ` Ulrich Weigand
2014-02-11 17:01   ` Paul Edwards
2014-02-13  4:23 Paul Edwards

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