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From: "Ulrich Weigand" <uweigand@de.ibm.com>
To: mutazilah@gmail.com (Paul Edwards)
Cc: bonzini@gnu.org (Paolo Bonzini), gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: i370 port
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908121709.n7CH92bw026671@d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7F6F71C82A5F4C3DBBA620CCD0081FCD@Paullaptop> from "Paul Edwards" at Aug 13, 2009 02:34:24 AM

Paul Edwards wrote:

> > What is the problem with having GCC itself invoke the linker, just like
> > it does on other platforms?
> 
> 1. That requires extensions to the C90 standard.  The behaviour of
> system() is undefined, much less even the existence of fork() etc.
> 
> 2. The attempt to add functionality to system() in MVS has made
> leaps and bounds, but has not reached the stage of being able
> to detect if the SYSPRINT DCB is already open so it knows not
> to reopen it, and close it, stuffing up the caller.
> 
> 3. MVS compilers don't normally invoke the linker.  That's always
> a separate step.  GCCMVS is an MVS compiler also.  It would
> be normal to generate object code though.  But the compiler
> normally generates the object code, rather than invoking the
> assembler.  In any case, the facility to allocate temporary
> datasets for HLASM and deciding what space parameters
> should be used etc etc has not yet been determined, and is
> unwieldy regardless, and the functionality doesn't exist yet
> anyway, and may be years away still, if it even makes sense.

I cannot really comment on what would be desirable behaviour for
MVS ...   Just as an implementation note, while it is true that
the GCC compiler driver needs to be able to execute other processes
(preprocessor, compiler, assembler, linker) as sub-tasks, it does
not require the full POSIX system/fork/exec functionality to do so.
GCC relies on the libiberty "pex" family of routines, which are
much more narrow in scope, and have in fact been ported to several
non-UNIX systems, including even MS-DOS.  Providing a port of "pex"
to MVS should be much easier that porting a full Unix "system" or
"fork" feature.

B.t.w. if you cannot execute sub-tasks at all, how does the
MVS GCC invoke the preprocessor (I think this was still a
separate process in 3.2) and the core compiler (cc1) from
the compiler driver?   Do you even have a separate compiler
driver?

Bye,
Ulrich

-- 
  Dr. Ulrich Weigand
  GNU Toolchain for Linux on System z and Cell BE
  Ulrich.Weigand@de.ibm.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-12 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-05 12:45 Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 14:33 ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 14:57   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:03     ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 15:24       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:47         ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-09-11 17:35       ` i370 port - in search of hooks Paul Edwards
2017-03-31 10:34       ` i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-09-12 12:41   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:21 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-06-05 15:39   ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 15:49     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2009-06-05 15:57       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-05 20:20         ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 20:45           ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-06 15:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-15 17:46         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-06-19  0:06           ` Paul Edwards
2009-06-19 12:28             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-07-18 11:28               ` Paul Edwards
2009-07-20 14:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-08 12:04                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-10 21:25                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-11  0:34                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-11 15:21                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-12 11:52                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-12 15:27                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-12 16:35                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-12 17:27                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-12 17:56                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-12 19:46                                 ` Ulrich Weigand [this message]
2009-08-12 20:31                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-19 12:07                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-19 12:27                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-20 12:49                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-20 22:48                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-08-21  2:37                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-21 16:46                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-06-05 15:44   ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-06-05 15:52     ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-08 15:55     ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:32       ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02  8:15   ` s390 port Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 14:34     ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 14:50       ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 14:53         ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 15:01           ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 15:13             ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 15:26               ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 19:46                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-02 20:05                   ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-02 20:16                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-09-03 11:18                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-03 11:35                       ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-03 12:12                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2021-09-03 12:38                           ` Paul Edwards
2021-09-03 12:53                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2021-09-03 13:12                               ` Paul Edwards
2022-12-20  4:27                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-08-23  8:50 i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-08-26 22:13 ` Henrik Sorensen
2009-09-09 22:33 Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:42 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-15 12:59   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-15 13:51     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-17 13:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-17 17:55         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18  0:35           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 12:06             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 12:23               ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 13:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 13:42                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 16:08                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-19 12:57                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 10:19                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 15:20                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-04  5:21                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-04 16:47                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-09 14:55                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-09 15:57                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-09 23:10                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 14:58                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-10 15:51                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:56                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-12-02 22:03                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-13  8:34                           ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 14:32                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-15 15:26                               ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 17:23                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-16 11:20                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-16 13:26                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 12:15                                       ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-18 13:14                                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 14:18                                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-22 12:31 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20  7:44 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20 10:09 Paul Edwards
2011-08-20 12:15 Paul Edwards
2011-08-22 12:23 ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-05 13:32   ` Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 18:13     ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-06  5:51 Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 12:49 Paul Edwards
2012-04-06 18:16 ` Ulrich Weigand
2012-04-07  4:12   ` Paul Edwards
2012-04-07  5:45 Paul Edwards
2012-04-08 17:43 ` Ulrich Weigand
2014-02-11 17:01   ` Paul Edwards
2014-02-13  4:23 Paul Edwards

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